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Virus alert
by Lesley Walker 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

Looks like there's a new email worm/virus epidemic on the go. We've quarantined over 1100 incoming emails since 2pm, and we normally only get a trickle. ClamAV reports "postcard.exe contains Trojan.Downloader-388", and the subject line is "Happy New Year". Just what we all need. :-( Lesley W (Happy to be running Ubuntu)

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Re: [nznog] Telstra's Outage
by Steve Wray 28 Dec '06

28 Dec '06

(sorry about lack of threading etc, I clipped the text out of the web-based archive) Jonathan wrote: > David Robinson wrote: >> >> "For a start, it takes more than two fibre cuts in the > North Island to >> disrupt us" >> >> And also remember back early in the year when one slip on the Hutt >> motorway took out all services in Wellington. >> >> What is so wrong with Telstra's network that single events can affect >> so many people, when supposable it takes more than two fibre cuts to >> disrupt them? > > This post you've quoted was related to the core network - > i.e. the bits that connect Wellington to Auckland etc. This > is a fault in the access network i.e. the bit that connects > Mary and Bob (or in this case Kandallah) to the core > network. NO operator has full redundancy in the access > network for residential services. What amazes me is that Telstra maintain that a truck hitting a pole was a *completely* unforseeable event and that even in retrospect they could not have been expected to have forseen that *one* *day* a truck would hit a 'single-point-of-failure pole' and that they could not have been expected to have planned for it. I ask you, is that really reasonable? I thought that engineers were the types of folk would look at diagrams of such a network and say: "well this pole is a single point of failure and its right by a road. Sooner or later its going to get hit by something, we'd better plan for that". I don't get the feeling that TC *had* planned for it... though maybe they did and if they hadn't planned for it we'd be disconnected till the new year... Insights anyone? Also, is there anywhere which keeps a log of outages experienced by NZ ISP's, how long they last etc? Thanks

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Connection reliability (was Re: Telstra's Outage)
by Matthew Poole 21 Dec '06

21 Dec '06

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, David Robb wrote: > On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Simon Allard wrote: > >> You can't expect good uptimes and run your business which requires high >> availability internet on a $39.95 DSL account. > > Good, Fast, Cheap. Pick any two. > Where Good==Reliable, I assume? Since the relative goodness of broadband products for most consumers is often associated with their fastness and cheapness, with reliability (provided one can actually pass packets, of course) being an unconsidered factor. I do agree with Dean that we know you can't reasonably expect multiple nines of reliability from a residential service, but we, as geeks, have far different expectations from the average consumer. Plus, with NZ's high incidence of home-based businesses, how many users have actually had ANY choice of carrier until quite recently? I can probably get Woosh at home, and we have a Telecom landline. What are my other choices? TCL is still delivering over TCNZ's cable, so that's a non-starter. I could maybe get hooked into Vector's fibre, though I don't think it comes quite far enough down Great South Rd. And I'm in a better position than a lot of residential users, who can't get Woosh and aren't even close to someone's fibre network. When people have no choice, is it any wonder that they expect the earth for nothing? Nobody's telling them about the limitations of the one service they can afford, and nobody's offering them anything with better reliability for a reasonable price - what would one pay for a 2Mbps frame connection that, while unquestionably giving better upstream performance, comes in, at best, at half the downstream speed of a DSL connection? Many, many multiples of $40/month, that's for sure. Total no-brainer. We can sneer at the great unwashed, but the reality is that the marketroids aren't offering anything to fill the gaping void between DSL and frame/ISDN (does anyone even use ISDN for data anymore?). PS: Why pay metric boatloads for something like frame when Telecom won't give you credit if their network fails? Nobody got a cent out of them after the rat and the errant backhoe took out much of the country for several hours, so what's the point in handing them extra? Pardon the pun. -- Matthew Poole "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."

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Re: [nznog] Telstra's Outage
by Simon Allard 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

Actually, I think it's the other way around. The reason NZ has 3rd rate broadband, is customers expect the world for free. You can't expect good uptimes and run your business which requires high availability internet on a $39.95 DSL account. I agree with everything Dean said, and I bet I am not the only one. -----Original Message----- From: John @ netTRUST [mailto:john(a)nettrust.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 11:19 a.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Telstra's Outage > Nothing used to piss me off more than the cable customer who used to > compain (without logging trouble tickets BTW) that thier home business > was losing money because their cable modem was down.... > > You buy a residential service - thats what you get. This type of arrogance from a NOC is why NZ has 3rd rate broadband. ADSL and cable are widely marketed to businesses and indeed business connections usually makes up the lions share of revenuw generated by these services. Let's hopen they keep you, and others with the same opinion, in the back room as far from customers as possible -or- put another way you should be using your l33t skills to substantally improve the reliability rather then having too much time on your hands digging for excuses. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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Re: [nznog] Telstra's Outage
by jdmwoolley＠ihug.co.nz 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

John @ netTRUST wrote: > antedotal evidence Erm, perhaps you meant anecdotal? http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/antedotal http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/anecdotal (sorry, couldn't resist - beer!)

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Telstra's Outage
by David Robinson 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

Hi, With Telstra's outage taking out the Northern and Western suburbs of Wellington. For what I gather it was a single truck crash bringing down the overhead wires. A single truck crash is a single point of failure, but I remember this email http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2005-June/010158.html which says: "For a start, it takes more than two fibre cuts in the North Island to disrupt us" And also remember back early in the year when one slip on the Hutt motorway took out all services in Wellington. What is so wrong with Telstra's network that single events can affect so many people, when supposable it takes more than two fibre cuts to disrupt them? David

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Re: [nznog] Telstra's Outage
by jdmwoolley＠ihug.co.nz 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

David Robinson wrote: > > "For a start, it takes more than two fibre cuts in the North Island to > disrupt us" > > And also remember back early in the year when one slip on the Hutt > motorway took out all services in Wellington. > > What is so wrong with Telstra's network that single events can affect > so many people, when supposable it takes more than two fibre cuts to > disrupt them? This post you've quoted was related to the core network - i.e. the bits that connect Wellington to Auckland etc. This is a fault in the access network i.e. the bit that connects Mary and Bob (or in this case Kandallah) to the core network. NO operator has full redundancy in the access network for residential services. If you want that, you need to pay through the nose to get a business service, even then most services give you only a single copper pair/fibre/cable to your premises which is still a single point of failure. Jonathan

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Re: [nznog] Telstra's Outage
by Scott Weeks 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

--- dave.robinson(a)gmail.com wrote: From: "David Robinson" <dave.robinson(a)gmail.com> With Telstra's outage taking out the Northern and Western suburbs of Wellington. For what I gather it was a single truck crash bringing down the overhead wires. A single truck crash is a single point of failure, but I remember this email http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2005-June/010158.html which says: "For a start, it takes more than two fibre cuts in the North Island to disrupt us" And also remember back early in the year when one slip on the Hutt motorway took out all services in Wellington. What is so wrong with Telstra's network that single events can affect so many people, when supposable it takes more than two fibre cuts to disrupt them? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Both fibers are hanging on the same poles? ;-) scott ps. to be ontopic... beer :) _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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NZNOG 2007 conference registrations are now open
by Jonny Martin 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

(Apologies for duplicates...) Hi All. The New Zealand Network Operators Group (NZNOG) is holding it's annual conference from January 31st to February 2nd 2007 in Palmerston North, New Zealand. Registrations are now open at http://www.nznog.org/registernow.html We encourage you to register early. NZNOG conferences are always lively, educational, and offer a great chance to network with peers from both within NZ and See you there! Jonny.

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International problems via Global-Gateway
by robbie.gernandt＠apn.co.nz 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

Hi there Anyone experiencing problems with International connectivity via Global-Gateway? We can't get to www.google.co.nz and a few other sites at the moment I'm still waiting for a response from Global-gateway... PS! International traffic via TelsraClear is fine regards Robbie ******************************************************************************** NOTICE This email and any attachments are confidential. They may contain privileged information or copyright material. If you are not an intended recipient, you should not read, copy, use or disclose the contents without authorisation and we request you contact us at once by return email. Please then delete the email and any attachments from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer viruses, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Any views expressed in this email and any attachments do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. ********************************************************************************

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