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RE: [nznog] Ihug UBS to Global Gateway trip to Australia?
by Simon Allard 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

That's very odd and no, not normal AFAIK. We don't buy domestic transit from Global Gateway (don't want to pay Telecom anymore money than we have to), but we do buy domestic transit from TelstraClear. GG should be preferring/learning ihug routes from TelstraClear. I will try and sort it out for you. Hopefully it's a mistake and not some new unknown GG policy. > Is > this a side effect of the Depeering/Peering policies of Telecom? Yup, we used to peer with GG, Xtra over APE but yea you know the rest of the story. Simon Allard ihug Limited P +64 9 962 9827 M +64 21 456 412 E simon.allard(a)staff.ihug.co.nz > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Dean [mailto:jon.dean(a)simplicity.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, 24 August 2005 5:44 p.m. > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] Ihug UBS to Global Gateway trip to Australia? > > Hi all. > > For the last few weeks, at least three Ihug 256K UBS accounts in > Invercargill > have been suffering from the following problem. Their round trip times to > Global Gateway customers (ie. DSL customers) and been running at around > 350ms. Traceroutes indicate that data is traversing via australia (which > might account for the latency - but even that still seems to high). > > A response from Ihug Business indicated that this was normal and advised > that > they would talk to Telstra. > > Now these Ihug customers do not have any relationship with either Telstra > or > Telecom - and I accept that this could be some screwed up config with > either > party. However, I can't accept this is normal. Talking to your neighbour > via > DSL shouldn't go via Australia or at least shouldn't take 350ms. > > All other traffic goes correctly (ie. Ihug UBS to pop3.xtra.co.nz etc...) > it > is only GG end users that seem to be screwed up. > > My question for NZNOGers. Can anyone confirm that this is normal? Is GG > not > peering at all with Ihug UBS. Is there any beer at the end of the tunnel? > Is > this a side effect of the Depeering/Peering policies of Telecom? > > This is Ihug UBS to Orcon (Telecom) DSL > 2 203-109-156-252.ihug.net (203.109.156.252) 93.694 ms > 3 Vl117-tig-nz-core-1.ihug.net (203.109.156.209) 88.690 ms > 4 203-109-156-138.ihug.net (203.109.156.138) 83.481 ms > 5 g1-0-1642.u12.telstraclear.net (203.98.18.161) 87.422 ms > 6 * * * > 7 210.55.202.49 (210.55.202.49) 299.341 ms > 8 car17-dom.akcr8.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.154) 336.779 ms > 9 * * * > 10 port-x-x-x-x.fastadsl.net.nz (x.x.x.x) [open] 339.033 ms > > This is the reverse Orcon DSL - Ihug UBS > 2 210-55-67-32.adsl.netgate.net.nz (210.55.67.32) 56.362 ms > 3 192.168.253.1 (192.168.253.1) 62.454 ms > 4 p-c1.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.245.237) 73.997 ms > 5 210.55.202.97 (210.55.202.97) 103.640 ms > p1-1.tkbr3.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.162) 77.407 ms > 7 210.55.202.67 (210.55.202.67) 68.395 ms > 8 ATM9-0-0-50.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.128.97) 341.822 ms > 9 AsiaNetcom.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.18.2) 289.700 ms > 10 po0-2.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.90) 376.026 ms > 11 ip-202-147-45-74.asianetcom.net (202.147.45.74) 337.066 ms > 12 203-109-156-140.ihug.net (203.109.156.140) 360.544 ms > 13 203-109-156-213.ihug.net (203.109.156.213) 340.953 ms > 14 203-173-161-x.bliink.ihug.co.nz (203.173.161.x) 471.486 ms > > Kind Regards, > > jon > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog

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OT, but a beer in it!
by Russell Sharpe 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

Does anyone have any experience with... Nomadix Hotspot Gateway... to be used for billing Fortigate 60... Antivirus/Firewall I have an electrician(!) who has asked me to install these + easy stuff, but I can only find sales PDF's! No diagramms or config details supplied... go figure! Please email me off line Cheers and a beer! Russell Sharpe rsharpe(a)paradise.net.nz Ph +64 4 9717665, +64 21 742 773 Fax +64 4 9717635, +64 21 342 776

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Re: [nznog] Ihug UBS to Global Gateway trip to Australia?
by Webmaster 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

>>> Jon Dean <jon.dean(a)simplicity.net.nz> 08/24/05 5:44 PM >>> > Is there any beer at the end of the tunnel? Hops are good for beer but not for the internet.

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Microsoft Opposes NZ Anti-Spam Bill/Who are these NZ Spammers..
by Craig Whitmore 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

See: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3384447a28,00.html The Article Quotes: "Mr Hamlin says his understanding is that there are just three big spammers operating in New Zealand, responsible for producing about 5 per cent of the spam that arrives in New Zealanders' inboxes." The question is.. who are these NZ spammers? Where does he get this information from? Thanks Craig

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Ihug UBS to Global Gateway trip to Australia?
by Jon Dean 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

Hi all. For the last few weeks, at least three Ihug 256K UBS accounts in Invercargill have been suffering from the following problem. Their round trip times to Global Gateway customers (ie. DSL customers) and been running at around 350ms. Traceroutes indicate that data is traversing via australia (which might account for the latency - but even that still seems to high). A response from Ihug Business indicated that this was normal and advised that they would talk to Telstra. Now these Ihug customers do not have any relationship with either Telstra or Telecom - and I accept that this could be some screwed up config with either party. However, I can't accept this is normal. Talking to your neighbour via DSL shouldn't go via Australia or at least shouldn't take 350ms. All other traffic goes correctly (ie. Ihug UBS to pop3.xtra.co.nz etc...) it is only GG end users that seem to be screwed up. My question for NZNOGers. Can anyone confirm that this is normal? Is GG not peering at all with Ihug UBS. Is there any beer at the end of the tunnel? Is this a side effect of the Depeering/Peering policies of Telecom? This is Ihug UBS to Orcon (Telecom) DSL 2 203-109-156-252.ihug.net (203.109.156.252) 93.694 ms 3 Vl117-tig-nz-core-1.ihug.net (203.109.156.209) 88.690 ms 4 203-109-156-138.ihug.net (203.109.156.138) 83.481 ms 5 g1-0-1642.u12.telstraclear.net (203.98.18.161) 87.422 ms 6 * * * 7 210.55.202.49 (210.55.202.49) 299.341 ms 8 car17-dom.akcr8.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.119.154) 336.779 ms 9 * * * 10 port-x-x-x-x.fastadsl.net.nz (x.x.x.x) [open] 339.033 ms This is the reverse Orcon DSL - Ihug UBS 2 210-55-67-32.adsl.netgate.net.nz (210.55.67.32) 56.362 ms 3 192.168.253.1 (192.168.253.1) 62.454 ms 4 p-c1.akbr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.245.237) 73.997 ms 5 210.55.202.97 (210.55.202.97) 103.640 ms p1-1.tkbr3.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.116.162) 77.407 ms 7 210.55.202.67 (210.55.202.67) 68.395 ms 8 ATM9-0-0-50.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.128.97) 341.822 ms 9 AsiaNetcom.sn1.optus.net.au (202.139.18.2) 289.700 ms 10 po0-2.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.90) 376.026 ms 11 ip-202-147-45-74.asianetcom.net (202.147.45.74) 337.066 ms 12 203-109-156-140.ihug.net (203.109.156.140) 360.544 ms 13 203-109-156-213.ihug.net (203.109.156.213) 340.953 ms 14 203-173-161-x.bliink.ihug.co.nz (203.173.161.x) 471.486 ms Kind Regards, jon

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OT - Network stuff ...
by Tim John 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

Hi all, Sorry for the off topic post, but I've just been through the garage and made a list of network stuff that I brought over from the UK with me a couple of years ago. I'm about to put some/all of it on TradeMe, but wondered if anyone on this list would like first refusal. Some items include brand new analogue modems, new ISDN modems, thin client terminals etc. If anyone is interest, please contact me off list for more information. Cheers, Tim

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OT - Last week end
by Richard Naylor 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

Sorry for being OT, but after promising everyone some webcasting action, not all of it worked. The wedding webcast on Saturday wasn't the best. Our wireless link didn't come up and after loosing time with a faulty video DA, we didn't have enough time to find out why. Theres no T3G coverage in Tawa (or the whole Tawa/Porirua valley) so there was nothing we could do. A 2 person crew can only do so much. So we shot the wedding to disk....... Thats the first time in about 5 years that we've failed to get the signal out. In comparison, Sunday in AKL, was a dream. 2 hours to set up the van and 4 cameras. Jeff and ? (forgot his name) from NZ Wireless just turned up, ran a long cable from their car to my van. Pings worked straight away - and I had 15Mbps to APE. It all ran perfectly and we uploaded a 750MB file afterwards, straight to the server. Nice and easy. So sorry that this is a shameless plug for Chris and the team at NZ Wireless, but it was a very short notice job, and they delivered the goods. It shows the power of NZNOG as a group, when you can fire off an email asking for help and get such a great response in 15 minutes. And they did a brilliant job as well. I was so pleased I had 2 beers that night (just to get on topic). To make life easier, I guess I should start using ISPs who can deliver to my van, rather than having to do that part myself as well as the production side of things (and the encoding). Next scheduled job is 7 Sept - it will be an opportunity for all Operators........more later. Rich

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Cisco memory
by Nathan Ward 23 Aug '05

23 Aug '05

I'm trying to get hold of some Cisco RAM, specifically 512Mbit sticks for 7401s. The Cisco PN is MEM-7400ASR-512MB=. Does anyone know where I can find some locally? Either Cisco brand or Kingston, or maybe something else..

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NZNOG 06 - Bits and pieces
by Simon Lyall 22 Aug '05

22 Aug '05

Hosts ----- The School of Mathematics, Statistics and Computer Science at Victoria University will be hosting us this year. They are in the process of getting the website ready and working out other details. Dates ----- Talk proposals are due in November to allow us to publish the schedule before people go on Xmas break so they can organise expenses and time of with their company. The idea is that the schedule will be 80+ percent ready by then. We know a few talks will be late but to ensure that the schedule is filled early a big priority will be given to those in on time. Even if you talk/abstract is not 100% flushed out by the close date please contact us by then to ensure that we pencil you in. Lightning talks --------------- Just a note that we don't expect a full abstract for lighting talks or even (possibly) a topic/title at this point. People who get in early will have a better chance however. Please feel free to discuss with talks(a)nznog.org More information on the lightning talks will be published in a few weeks. Costs ----- We anticipate that costs for 2006 will be similar to 2005. If you you are on a budget you might want to start saving now. Accommodation ------------- Since NZNOG will be held during term time accommodation costs will be higher since student halls will not be available as in previous years. We are looking at options for a large booking but feedback as to what people are after ( Backpackers, 2 star, etc ) would be appreciated. Transport --------- Please have a look at the airline sites to estimate your costs. If there are a number of people who can't afford to fly then we may try to arrange bus or car sharing. We will ask closer to the date. Sponsorship ----------- There are opportunities available for companies to sponsor various aspects of this meeting. For more information, contact sponsorship(a)nznog.org.

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NZNOG 06 - Call for Participation and Papers
by Simon Lyall 22 Aug '05

22 Aug '05

NZNOG 06 - Call for Participation and Papers The next conference of the New Zealand Network Operators' Group is to be held in Wellington between 22-24 March 2006. Our hosts are The School of Mathematics, Statistics and Computer Science at Victoria University. The conference will take place the week before the Wellington ICANN meeting in order enable people to attend both events. NZNOG meetings provide opportunities for the exchange of technical information and discussion of issues relating to the operation and support of network services, with particular emphasis on New Zealand. The conference is low priced and has a strong technical focus with the aim and history of getting a strong turnout of technical personal from New Zealand Internet orientated companies. The planned format is one day of streamed Special Interest Group ( SIG ) Meetings followed by 2 days of the conference proper. Sponsors -------- There are opportunities remaining for organisations to sponsor various aspects of the NZNOG meeting. Please contact sponsorship(a)nznog.org for more information SIG Meetings ------------ The first day of the conference is arranged as parallel tracks to cover subject material which is of interest to particular groups of attendees. Proposals are requested for workshops, tutorials and other appropriate special-interest meetings of interest to Network Operators. Presentations ------------- NZNOG invites presentations on relevant topics. Suitable topics include, but are not limited to Network Monitoring, Peering , Network Design Philosophy, Security and Encryption, IPV6, DDOS, WAN Solutions / VPNs, BGP and other routing protocols, ENUM, Fibre Optics, Wireless, Spam, Mail Servers, Virtual Servers (eg Xen, UML, VMware). Presentations from researchers and from practitioners are welcomed. Presentations don't need to fit any particular fixed length and can be from 30 minutes to 3 hours in length. The survey of mailing list members was conducted in early 2005 to determine areas of interest, the results are available here: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2005-May/010020.html If you are interested in submitting a talk please fill out the questions at then end of this document and email them to talks(a)nznog.org . Lightning talks --------------- Lightning talks are short talks/presentations that last no more than 10 minutes. This is a good opportunity to get your pet topic out there or perhaps to get some experience with presenting without having to go to a full talk. At NZNOG'06 it is planned that there will be at least one hour long lightning talk session. Advice on giving Lightning Talks: http://www.justanotherperlhacker.org/lightning/ http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/07/30/lightningtalk.html http://perl.plover.com/lt/lightning-talks.html http://www.metaart.org/maca/perl/lightning/lightning_what.html Proposals for lightning talks should be submitted they same way as other talks. Dates ----- Dates (other than that of the conference itself) may be subject to change. 1 Nov: Proposals and Abstracts due Early Nov: Notification to Authors Early Nov: Schedule Published. Mid Nov: Registrations open 28 Feb: Draft of presentation slides due. 22 Mar: Conference begins. 27 Mar: ICANN meeting begins Contact ------- Website * www.nznog.org General Enquiries * info(a)nznog.org Talks and Papers * talks(a)nznog.org Talk Proposals -------------- Please send all talk proposals (including lightning talks) to talks(a)nznog.org along with the requested information. Questions regarding talks can be sent to the same address. The deadline for proposals is November 1st, 2005. While the majority of speaking slots will be filled by November 1st, a limited number of slots may be available after that date for topics that are timely, important, or otherwise exceptional. Sponsorship may be available for a limited number of overseas speakers to attend the conference, please indicate if you require assistance with travel and/or accommodation. Author's Full Name: Author's Email Address: Author's affiliation: Title of Talk: Abstract: Length of talk: Author's short biography: Whether travel and accommodation assistance will be required:

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