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nznog research group for NGI?
by Lin Nah 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

Looks like the NGI proposal will shut out private or commercial users unless they comply with the Network use policy. All points to setting up a nznog related research group in order to be able to play in it. Unfortunately nothing states the fee required to be a Partner. Anyway they are looking for feedback by 1 Oct "Private Sector shut out of Advanced Network" http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/35095BD5DF6B4AABCC256F160019E134 http://www.morst.govt.nz/?CHANNEL=IT+INFRASTRUCTURE&PAGE=IT+Infrastructure all a big yawn? lin

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RE: [nznog] nznog research group for NGI?
by Craig Humphrey 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Hi Daniel, This isn't a dig at you... > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)wand.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:10 PM > To: Simon Lyall; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: Re: [nznog] nznog research group for NGI? [snip snip] > I2 won't give us free or cheap gigabit access at home. It will give > universities, other research organisations and similarly minded > businesses a high speed collaborative platform. That's what > it's there for. So an "under subscription" scheme rather than the commercial "over subscription" scheme... Ahhh... That's right, it's better and faster, because almost no one is using it! If bandwidth and technology is cheap enough that the Government can set up something like this and presumably have it economically viable (while excluding fee paying commercial customers), then why can't our existing infrastructure be upgraded to similar or even better capabilities since there would be lots of $$ involved? Maybe I'm just naive... And have over simplified things. Just my 2c. Later'ish Craig

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RE: [nznog] nznog research group for NGI?
by Craig Humphrey 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

To quote from Page 28 of the Advanced Network Architecture document: http://www.morst.govt.nz/uploadedfiles/Documents/Current%20work/An%20Adv anced%20Network%20Architecture%20for%20New%20Zealand%20V1.11.pdf "...Beyond the current use of the Internet for email, web-browsing and web-oriented applications, some of the current R+E+I use is to support applications that require peer-to-peer connection between institutions, both nationally and overseas, simply because there is no other economic alternative. For this last important group of applications the overall Internet performance is particularly bad - latency, jitter, low bandwidth and packet loss are aggravated by the volume-oriented cost structures. ..." Is it just me, or is that a nice little dig at the current Internet situation and it's duopoly on International bandwidth (OK, so the likes of IHUG and others have their "own" International links, but they probably pale in comparison to the big two.) Oh and I see that it's primarily IPv4 based, with IPv6 being offered as a service over the top. So much for next generation... Shouldn't this be IPv6 based from the start, with perhaps IPv4 gateways at the fringe? Maybe I just need to read more... But it's home time... Later'ish Craig

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RE: [nznog] nznog research group for NGI?
by Craig Humphrey 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Sheesh... Heaven forbid that someone should set up a network that might compete with Telco's.... Don't you think that if someone can do it better/cheaper, then that's a Good Thing(tm) for competition in NZ. I know the network is supposed to be for "research", but then you could argue that the original NZ backbone (linking the Universities, etc) was too and look where it is now... Then again, maybe you don't want to look... :) Just my 2c. Later'ish Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: Lin Nah [mailto:lin(a)darkmere.gen.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:35 PM > To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Subject: [nznog] nznog research group for NGI? > > Looks like the NGI proposal will shut out private or commercial users > unless they comply with the Network use policy. > > All points to setting up a nznog related research group in order to > be able to play in it. Unfortunately nothing states the fee required > to be a Partner. > > Anyway they are looking for feedback by 1 Oct > > "Private Sector shut out of Advanced Network" > http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/35095BD5DF6B4AABCC256 > F160019E134 > > http://www.morst.govt.nz/?CHANNEL=IT+INFRASTRUCTURE&PAGE=IT+In > frastructure > > all a big yawn? > > lin > > _______________________________________________ > NZNOG mailing list > NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog >

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NZ Network Providers List?
by Evan Taylor 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Hello from Australia, This is my first post to this list, just subscribed - looks interesting! Figured this was the most obvious place to start asking questions ... The organisation I work for has just made some aquisitions in NZ. We have taken over (or about to) an existing network running on the Telecom PON service. I was wondering - is there a global register of network providers in NZ? Currently we are sticking with Telecom as its already implemented, but I would like to research further out and see what other options there are. We have a guide for AUS, http://www.whirlpool.net.au/ Though not completely concise its an excellent start. I'm finding already the Telecom PON service - even the upgraded POM - quite restrictive. I cannot SNMP query any routers (we do all our own stats) nor, can I manage these myself (we also managed all our own gear). DSL in NZ seems quite interesting - up to 8Mbit/s according to the Xtra website? I take it this is not gaureenteed and on distance basis as well. I notice that you utilise full GDMT here - not GDMT.Lite as we do. Without moving off the Telstra DSLAMs I am lucky if I can get 1.5Mbit/s downstream and 256k up. Very interested to know more about providers, carriers, etc. over there in NZ - hopefully might be able to head over in the near future too! Cheers, Ev-

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Telecoms "deadline"
by Richard Patterson 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

I was told yesterday by a Telecom employee that the 250,000 goal for Broadband residential users was an ultimatum from the comcom to Telecom saying "reach this otherwise we will unbundle the local loop" Are any ISP's thinking of boycotting UBS or iUBS for the greater good so to speak? or is everyone just going to jump on the bandwagon for slightly faster intarwebnet? -Richard

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OT, Archiving Email
by Gavin Palmer 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Hiya All, Please forgive the OT post. Can anyone shed some light on how long the law requires us to archive/retain email for legal purposes, and is this covered in the new amendment act? Please reply off list if this is too OT. Thanx Gav

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OT: Motorola S1936 (voice/data) interface wanted
by Michael Hallager 19 Sep '04

19 Sep '04

Hi all. Anyone got a Motorola S1936 interface unit? This connects a Motorola carphone to a (RJ11?) standard telecommunications device (phone, fax, dialup modem etc). // Michael Hallager Director || Head geek || Making IT work. URL: http://www.networkstuff.co.nz networkStuff, NZ's leading online supplier of high quality new and used networking equipment. Phone: (09) 839-1000 (DDI) 0800 638-788 (Freecall) Fax: (09) 837-8100 0800 329-788 (Freecall) Mobile: 029 638-7883

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Notification of NZRR Database changes
by NZRR Database Notifications 19 Sep '04

19 Sep '04

Dear Colleague, This is to notify you that some object(s) in NZRR database which you either maintain or are listed as to-be-notified have been added, deleted or changed. These objects are used to configure the APE and/or WIX route servers so you can expect the relevant servers to be reloaded in the near future. The reloading of the servers is staggered over a period of time so that if you are peering with both servers, you will maintain at least one BGP session at all times and consequently a full set of APE and/or WIX routes. The update causing these changes had the following mail headers: - From: Andy Linton <asjl(a)citylink.co.nz> - Cc: - Subject: - Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:18:43 +1200 (NZST) - Msg-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409201518200.5722(a)jennings.citylink.co.nz> NZRR Database Notification Department --- PREVIOUS OBJECT: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS7657 descr: Route set advertised to AS9560 by ihug - AS7657 members: 203.109.128.0/17^17-24, 203.173.128.0/17^17-24, 203.118.128.0/18^18-24, 203.96.192.0/19^19-24, 210.55.248.0/21^21-24, 202.49.240.0/22^22-24, 202.50.188.0/22^22-24, 202.21.136.0/23^23-24, 202.36.94.0/23^23-24, 202.49.46.0/23^23-24, 202.49.88.0/23^23-24, 202.49.148.0/23^23-24, 202.49.176.0/23^23-24, 202.49.180.0/23^23-24, 192.107.113.0/24, 202.21.130.0/24, 202.36.44.0/24, 202.49.33.0/24, 202.49.48.0/24, 202.49.63.0/24, 202.49.178.0/24, 202.49.186.0/24, 202.50.84.0/24, 202.50.103.0/24, 202.50.255.0/24, 210.55.110.0/24, 210.55.184.0/24 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: asjl(a)wix.net.nz 20031210 changed: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz 20040813 source: NZRR REPLACED BY: route-set: AS9560:RS-ROUTES:AS7657 descr: Route set advertised to AS9560 by ihug - AS7657 members: 203.109.128.0/17^17-24, 203.173.128.0/17^17-24, 203.118.128.0/18^18-24, 203.96.192.0/19^19-24, 210.55.248.0/21^21-24, 202.49.240.0/22^22-24, 202.50.188.0/22^22-24, 202.21.136.0/23^23-24, 202.36.94.0/23^23-24, 202.36.230.0/23^23-24, 202.49.46.0/23^23-24, 202.49.88.0/23^23-24, 202.49.148.0/23^23-24, 202.49.176.0/23^23-24, 202.49.180.0/23^23-24, 192.107.113.0/24, 202.21.130.0/24, 202.36.44.0/24, 202.49.33.0/24, 202.49.48.0/24, 202.49.63.0/24, 202.49.178.0/24, 202.49.186.0/24, 202.50.84.0/24, 202.50.103.0/24, 202.50.255.0/24, 210.55.110.0/24, 210.55.184.0/24 admin-c: RPA1-NZRR tech-c: RPA1-NZRR notify: rpsl-admin(a)wix.net.nz notify: noc(a)ihug.co.nz notify: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz mnt-by: MAINT-NZRR-NZ changed: asjl(a)wix.net.nz 20031210 changed: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz 20040813 changed: rpsl-admin(a)ape.net.nz 20040920 source: NZRR

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domestic vs. international
by Joe Abley 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

Would any access providers who measure such things care to share the ratio of domestic:international traffic, inbound to and outbound from their networks? Back when I was crashing routers in AS 4768 the feeling was that about 20% of traffic stayed local, within New Zealand. That was pre-Southern Cross, though, and it's perfectly possible that the ratio was inflated due to unsatisfied demand. The prices for transit in other countries are much, much cheaper now, and the cost of reaching those countries directly (if you buy your own transmission capacity there) has also gone down substantially, so maybe that would also act to make the ratio lower. On the other hand, as people become more used to doing things over the Internet, you'd expect local content to grow. On yet another hand (four, now?) since so many people are still inexplicably cursed with dialup, maybe that growth would be lower than in other, more enlightened markets. Seems like an interesting question, anyway. I guess this would be easiest to measure at an ISP that used separate domestic and international uplinks (like Telecom used to provision, and may still do for all I know, and like TCL have started to do). If anybody would like to share some numbers, feel free to mail me directly and I can summarise back to the list. Joe

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