Given today's discussion about address space etc, FX Networks is prepared to allocate equivalent address space to any ISP that is affected by this policy.
reply to this address offlist if you wish to stop using old swamp space. I would actually advise against this unless you know for sure you are losing the old IPs. Currently there's confusion as to whether the info is obscured as part of APNIC privacy protection
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, FX Networks wrote: thing OR whether it is a move by APNIC to force ppl to sort it out. There's a lot to be said about hanging on as some of these allocations predate APNIC or at least current APNIC policies. While I understand APNIC's need to set policies for their current available/unallocated space I do not see why they should be trying to gain control over space that isn't theirs to allocate in the first place. IMHO Theirs to allocated = unallocated space they were given to allocated as well as space belonging to their members. As for Telecom, IMO they shouldn't have agreed to accept responsibility for the old NZGATE IPs if they weren't prepared to shoulder the costs forever! While it sounds extreme, surely they didn't take it over expecting to be able to call it theirs! I am grateful that Telecom agreed to have this included in their space at the time as it meant a smooth transition from NZGate and all that. These were blocks deemed portable and not "deemed portable on certain conditions decided on by APNIC/Telecom"[1] Expecting these small organisations who may not want anymore IPs to join APNIC, pay $$$ to APNIC for nothing apart from generating revenue for APNIC seems a bit ridiculous. This is more than just old space. It allows these organisations the freedom to be multihomed without the inconvenience of having to renumber every time they change ISPs. If APNIC wants to lord over this, are they also calling the shots to the other organisations who have a lot of IP space but aren't used? There are a few companies in NZ who were allocated a class B. I have no doubt they have the resources/funds to join APNIC but do they need to unless they want more IP space? I doubt they have "good IP management plans" or whatever is stated in APNIC policy since their allocation predates APNIC policies. The sooner APNIC recognises that these were allocations made and a Class C (ie /24) were allocated and made portable the better. The fact that these are smaller blocks than current policy for minimum allocation should have been recognised when current policy was made. They should also recognise that this was pre-apnic and remain beyond their control UNTIL the holder of those IPs decide they no longer wish to use it. At NZNOG earlier this year, the APNIC trainers did say that there were special policies or dispensations looked at for smaller countries as there's quite a few pacific islands where the smallest allocation would probably be more than sufficient to cover the entire country a few tiems over. Also that the organisations will not have the resources in terms of $$ to be an APNIC member. While I understand AP = Asia Pacific, I think the policies are easier to fit into the companies within Asia than in Pacific. NZ is Pacific in terms of size of allocations. NZ companies are small when compared with companies in Asia. We may be big when compared with pacific island but a small minnow when compared to some companies considered medium sized in Asia. Lin [1] Yes there's been one or two incidents in recent times.