http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/395.html It seemed appropriate... This seems to be two debates: 1. Do we need to open up the 2LD? As in totally open it up. Open slather. 2. Iff we don't want to open it up, do we need the .bank.nz domain? I suggest that the answer to (2) is 'no', and that the question has already been asked and was 'no' then, and if it is asked again in the future it will still be 'no!' There may in the future be a (3) "Should 2ld xxx.nz be created?", but that question gets to be asked if and when the need arises, and should not be confused with the fundamental debate over (1). Names are important. As any trademark lawyer. Some of the natural distinguishers that exist in other areas don't exist in DNS namespace. Is smiths.com a foundry, a crisp manufacturer, a clockmaker? All those can simultaneously trademark "Smiths" for their products since there is no confusion in the natural world. There was no confusion between "Apple"---the record label and "Apple" the computer company, until the computer company started to make their computers able to play music. I actually think .co.nz is useful, on the assumption that anything in that namespace is a trading entity and is willing to fight over naming rights. I'd prefer other rules to hold in other domains. (It could be interesting to watch the disputes process in the mil.nz domain for instance :-) -- Michael Newbery IP Architect TelstraClear Limited - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog