I had a thought (which may not be well thought out - but please bear with me). If TelstraClear (and presumably Telecom's finance people will follow the same logic and do the same) do in fact cut off connections to the major exchanges and instead require ISPs to purchase links to them, would it make sense to purchase (as a group) a large pipe to TelstraClear and Telecom for each Exchange and then share _that_? Although I'm sure working out a fair charging (and fair use) system for this would be less than trivial, wouldn't this make it possible to most efficiently deal with "The Big T's" in terms of their desire to be paid to swap traffic? Or are they going to specifically ban sharing of pipes to make sure everyone has to provision their own pipe with their own headroom and thus extract _EVEN_MORE_ money from them? Damn - I hope I haven't tipped them off... Who am I kidding? The people responsible for this in the first place will have already thought of this. Oh well - nice thought. Cheers - N. Seriously - will provisioning just a couple of big paid links to APE/WIX and then sharing from there make a lot of sense? Are all the "Non Big T" ISPs going to be able to sort out a method of sharing bandwidth and payment or will everyone end up provisioning their own? -----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley(a)isc.org] Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2004 12:26 a.m. To: Drew Broadley Cc: NZ NOG Subject: Re: [nznog] TelstraClear Inhternational / National Traffic billing On 15 Jun 2004, at 08:22, Drew Broadley wrote:
Joe Abley wrote:
On 14 Jun 2004, at 19:19, Juha Saarinen wrote:
Has it not sunk in yet that after November 1st, peering in NZ will be gone? Unless of course non-telco providers get their corporate derrieres into the sling and start networking with one another.
Non-telco providers have been peering with each other for years, and I see no reason to think that they will suddenly stop on November 1.
The end is nigh.
The doomsaying is all very dramatic, but where's the reasoning? If it suddenly costs money to talk to networks which are customers of TCL, it surely makes *more* sense to peer with them directly, not less. Joe _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog