Don Gould wrote: [mostly pointless rant removed] Don. One would have thought that having been about on various online forums for a respectable length of time, you would have learnt a little bit of how one is supposed to behave in these situations. If _nothing else_ start going through the list archives (hint: doing a search for *.xtra.co.nz or *.telecom.co.nz may even get some people you could mail directly - if NOTHING else) I'm glad that you use this list as your own little trouble spotter - which is in most cases around 99.9% inaccurate as usually, someone posting something to this list as pointless as "ZOMG ! I cant find a mail admin and cant actually phrase a question well enough that someone can actually GIVE me any help" Lacks significant clue to be taken with any seriousness when doing fault diagnostics. But hey, that's your prerogative, just please be aware that the other 899 of us on this list DON'T want this sort of crap. This does NOT stop you from running with this idea however and starting up nzmag. I'm sure it will become exceptionally popular. On thing AJ actually took the time to explain was how Simon could have parsed the question in such a way that WOULD have elicited a helpful response, but this aside, the fact is - Ted Grenfell, who has repeatedly sent mails to this list explaining who he is, has also repeatedly given his contact details out and made offers for anyone to drop him a line directly (DDI anyone ? Tho, I know.. that telephone thing is SO last year right ?) A small amount of time reading the list archives would have revealed this and saved everyone a great deal of time. Please in future; * Take the time to search the resources available to you BEFORE posting a query like the ones that have started this entire thread * read the past few weeks worth of posts (or skim subject lines to see if there is anything relevant) * if you MUST send a post to this list, the please take the time to phrase your question in a helpful manner. For some further reading that all list newbies and Don should read, please goto. http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html (and if you find it too insulting to go there, then expect to get stupid responses to your stupid questions.) -- Steve.