Re: [nznog] Multi-homing without PI space

You probably need to consider the level of diversity you require and the costs of achieving it; another possibility would be to select an ISP who are able to deliver connectivity via multiple circuits (say, one via Vector, one via TelstraVodaWhatever) with common Layer 3. Then you could arrange private-AS BGP peering with your ISP for physical and carrier level diversity, but the usual rules would not apply regarding IP space as you'd continue to use a smaller block routed to you by your ISP. Doing this would remove the need to be an APNIC member, and perhaps save you on your diverse connectivity option if your ISP does you a deal. Also depending on the way you pay for bandwidth it could work out to your advantage to do this if you don't want to become your own real-world AS with the overheads that apply to this. Mark. From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Matt Richards Sent: Wednesday, 6 November 2013 12:27 p.m. To: Alexander Neilson Cc: NZNOG Subject: Re: [nznog] Multi-homing without PI space "immediately" not "currently" :) perhaps you need the new space to host a bunch of HTTPS web sites, which don't currently exist? Finding a use for the new space is the easy part. We went from using about half a /27 to getting our second /24 within 2 years. Matt. On 6/11/2013 12:22 p.m., Alexander Neilson wrote: Not sure if I am correct here but if they are using a /28 now to comply with the APNIC rules as per the below they would need to show use for 25% now (a /26) and within one year using a /25 (50% of address space). It may be that APNIC may let them be a bit fuzzy about the exact number "in use" but the rules would seem to exclude them as they would need to quadruple their use of IP Addressing /28 to /26 immediately. Again - not an APNIC rules expert and I could be wrong here. Regards Alexander Alexander Neilson Neilson Productions Limited alexander(a)neilson.net.nz 021 329 681 022 456 2326 On 6/11/2013, at 12:15 pm, Matt Richards wrote: On 6/11/2013 11:30 a.m., Matthew Poole wrote: A "small company wanting to play big company" question: My employer is investigating options for network redundancy as having a functional internet connection is critical to our operation. We're not in any position to even try applying for PI IPv4 space from APNIC (only using a /28), and are in no way close to being ready to think about going to pure IPv6. Clients push to us, so we need to have functional DNS as well as link fail-over. We also have multiple public-facing servers offering the same services, so moving to *shudder* NAT or some kind of port proxying isn't an easy option (clients' internal bureaucracies to get firewall ports opened, client configuration, blah blah blah). So, my question, what are our operational course of action for multi-homing when becoming an AS on the global tubes isn't on the cards? Cheers "We're not in any position to even try applying for PI IPv4 space from APNIC (only using a /28)" Why not?

From APNIC's website:

Criteria for small multihoming delegations * An organization is eligible if it is currently multihomed with provider-based addresses, or demonstrates a plan to multihome within one month. * Organizations requesting a delegation under these terms must demonstrate that they are able to use 25% of the requested addresses immediately and 50% within one year. Very easy criteria to meet.. We had a /27 from our ISP and had no trouble getting a /24 from apnic. Matt. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog