On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Simon Blake wrote:
No. What I suggested was that he pick a few of the current members that he knows meets some basic defn of NZ network operator, and seed the list with them. Then, the list as a whole can choose who else joins. All I'm asking Don to do is seed an initial list, and if he misses anybody who is a legit operator then they'll be known to others on the list, and be (re)instated as members. I certainly don't expect any one person to be the sole arbiter of what constituted a network operator, but I'd expect the hive mind to have a fairly good idea.
It's hard to see how that would work in an objective fashion. The members chosen to vet those wanting to join would have rather a lot of power, and power tends to get abused. Let's take a purely hypothetical example, where the chosen few decide not to let someone join the list. It could be that the person's with a company that competes against one or more of those that the list membership electors belong to. How would that go down?
How is how NANOG operates relevant? It gets a lot more traffic - the effect on the s/n ratio of the occasional off-topic outburst is minimal, on NZNOG it's significant. If NZNOG got 50-100 posts a day, then there probably wouldn't be a problem. But it doesn't.
I don't think that a closed list would be of any use should ISP staff decide to sabotage the s/n ratio.
To whom? Why do we care? Is this list here to set an example, or to grease the operation of the NO community?
Well, if you want to "grease the operation" of a chosen few and exclude others, then no, you shouldn't care. It just seems to go against the whole Internet spirit, what you're proposing. -- Juha Saarinen