Re: [nznog] Citylink IX communication

Generally speaking most of the internet lives in Auckland, being that thats where most of the content and our two international links live (for now). I work with other regional providers (not in Orkland) and apart from some local data for things like VPN’s and other on-net content like netlfix / google caches that can be shifted locally, the majority (over 50%) is backhauled to Auckland anyway. I imagine for most providers the majority of their data is exchanged in AKL or transited via it. (If this isn’t the case feel free to correct me). In terms of “Citylink hate” I think they reap what they sow, taking a $195 / a month service and upping it to $895 didn’t win them any favours, especially when its double what the other exchange providers are now charging, but on the positive side it did create an opportunity in the market for the likes of AKL-IX and Megaport to enter the market. (I have also personally had less than pleasant experiences with Citylink sales in the past, and would quite happily see them go by the wayside). IMHO AKL-IX and Megaport have both been doing a much better job of engaging their customers, and have been a lot easier to work with thank Citylink has been historically. Based on the customer service levels and their can-do attitude I am a fan of AKL-IX in particular. As someone who has previously had multiple Citylink IX ports (and since cancelled them) that’s my 2c worth anyway.

On 27/02/2017, at 9:17 PM, Tim Price wrote:

Right, that nicely covers Orkland but not the rest of the country where the rest of us live. Why the Citylink hate anyway? This general hate for Citylink has been becoming more and more obvious and isn’t conducive to them being forthcoming with information and otherwise participating in this community.

From: on behalf of Liam Farr Date: Monday, 27 February 2017 at 9:10 PM To: NZNOG Subject: Re: [nznog] Citylink IX communication

Maybe the Citylink product should just die a natural death...

We have AKL-IX and Megaport now :)

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On 27/02/2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Price mailto:tim(a)initech.co.nz> wrote:

How does not opting in to this change negatively affect anyone but the people who choose to abstain? (And their customers). The free market will surely sort this one out.

I'm assuming that NZIX's standard deployment will be from now on sans-ix-asn-injection so standard attrition will eventually get us to a semi-consistent state and as to the outliers... my first point applies.

On 27/02/2017 6:01 PM, "Nathan Ward" mailto:nznog(a)daork.net> wrote:

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On 27/02/2017, at 5:50 PM, Tim Hoffman mailto:tim(a)hoffman.net.nz> wrote:

there may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances when the particular behavior is acceptable or even useful I don't necessarily disagree that a migration over time may be useful, I disagree with the end state of an inconsistent behavior... The key here is having a date by which we enforce a consistent behavior….

So let’s make up a date and push people towards it. No reason we can’t get to a consistent state, right? The Citylink IXes started life as community IXes, no reason we can’t make them community IXes again. How about your birthday next year?

Perhaps we could talk about ways to track who is opting-in and who isn’t, do you have thoughts on how to achieve that? I’m not sure I can think of anything technically. Does Citylink intend to publish this information? Perhaps we can encourage people to post on the NZNOG list when they change their “mode”?

With that information, you could channel your energies in to an email to a handful of operators every couple of months. That would be totally reasonable to copy to the list.

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Having said that, fair point on RFC2119 sir :)

Others who thought of it first know who they are :)

-- Nathan Ward

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