:: hehe. :: You want it both ways... If NAT was used, DoS attacks, etc, :: wouldn't affect :: you, since an RFC1918 destination won't be routed. :: :: But how many really *NEED* to run real world services. For :: the majority of :: DSL users, NAT would be OK, and there wouldn't be any :: billing surprises :: because of things like DoS attacks. No; it's not wanting to have your cake and eat it at all. Internet worms such as Code Red and NIMDA are a new phenomenon that probably wasn't planned for when Jetstream was developed (correct me if I'm wrong on this). Ditto DoS attacks. What I'm asking for is simple: I want to have a useful DSL service, as I work from home a lot. However, I need some kind of defence against massive amounts of unwanted traffic. I can see that it is technically possible to provide me and other DSL users with a solution that keeps the service useful, yet helps us avoid billing nasties due to worms and DoS attacks. In that light, to say that your options range from "tough shit, pay up" to "turn off your modem" or "settle for a neutered" DSL service, doesn't really cut it. I'm a bit disappointed in the attitude here... what happened to listening to your customers? -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog