Re: [nznog] Citylink IX communication

I'd also like to object to the blatant Citylink bashing on the list, it's not constructive and certainly not polite. While I completely respect the right for networks to disagree with Citylink's policies and move their peering elsewhere, I also notice that by far the majority of the complaining comes from smaller providers or providers who are not even present on the APE. There are a number of large providers who move significant volumes of traffic over all three IX's that you simply don't hear from. As part of a medium sized network present on both APE and AKL-IX, I'm still happy with the service provided by Citylink/APE but also am pleased to see the move towards consistency with the other peering exchanges in NZ and the approach they are taking to getting there. If the community votes with it's movement away from APE, so be it and I'm sure we will revisit our peering strategy at that time, as I'm sure would a number of providers. However I would like to put out in public that I'd like to thank Citylink for all of their hard work for the betterment of the NZ Internet over the years and while things have not always been perfect, I'm pleased to see the improvements being planned. Can we keep the list discussion around the technical merits and not public attacks towards companies or individuals. I'd also support Nathan's pragmatic community approach of motivating the exchange participants towards a consistent state rather than looking for a bat to hit either Citylink or peers with. Jamie On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 at 21:18 Tim Price wrote:

Right, that nicely covers Orkland but not the rest of the country where the rest of us live.

Why the Citylink hate anyway? This general hate for Citylink has been becoming more and more obvious and isn’t conducive to them being forthcoming with information and otherwise participating in this community.

*From: * on behalf of Liam Farr < liam(a)maxumdata.com> *Date: *Monday, 27 February 2017 at 9:10 PM *To: *NZNOG *Subject: *Re: [nznog] Citylink IX communication

Maybe the Citylink product should just die a natural death...

We have AKL-IX and Megaport now :)

On 27/02/2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Price wrote:

How does not opting in to this change negatively affect anyone but the people who choose to abstain? (And their customers). The free market will surely sort this one out.

I'm assuming that NZIX's standard deployment will be from now on sans-ix-asn-injection so standard attrition will eventually get us to a semi-consistent state and as to the outliers... my first point applies.

On 27/02/2017 6:01 PM, "Nathan Ward" wrote:

On 27/02/2017, at 5:50 PM, Tim Hoffman wrote:

*there may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances when the particular behavior is acceptable or even useful*

I don't necessarily disagree that a migration over time may be useful, I disagree with the end state of an inconsistent behavior... The key here is having a date by which we enforce a consistent behavior….

So let’s make up a date and push people towards it. No reason we can’t get to a consistent state, right? The Citylink IXes started life as community IXes, no reason we can’t make them community IXes again. How about your birthday next year?

Perhaps we could talk about ways to track who is opting-in and who isn’t, do you have thoughts on how to achieve that? I’m not sure I can think of anything technically. Does Citylink intend to publish this information? Perhaps we can encourage people to post on the NZNOG list when they change their “mode”?

With that information, you could channel your energies in to an email to a handful of operators every couple of months. That would be totally reasonable to copy to the list.

Having said that, fair point on RFC2119 sir :)

Others who thought of it first know who they are :)

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