I do SPF checking. # grep $user mail.log Sep 10 09:05:48 mx tumgreyspf[13335]: 'SPF Permanent Error: Too many DNS lookups': QUEUE_ID=""; identity=mailfrom; client-ip=216.32.181.183; helo=ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com; envelope-from=$User(a)vuw.ac.nz; receiver=$user(a)tauatapu.net.nz; vuw.ac.nz IN TXT v=spf1 ip4:130.195.81.0/24 ip4:130.195.86.0/24 ip4:202.36.141.0/24 ip4:216.235.196.0/22 ip4:216.235.200.0/21 include:mcs.vuw.ac.nz include:mailprimer.com include:_spf.learningsourceapp.com include:spf.messaging.microsoft.com ~all 1. Is anyone else having this issue with vuw? 2. Should I be doing something to change my config or do others feel that the vuw spf record is to wide? D -- Don Gould 31 Acheson Ave Mairehau Christchurch, New Zealand Ph: + 64 3 348 7235 Mobile: + 64 21 114 0699