I know XTRA != Netgate, but how many ISP's have a connection to Netgate for national traffic ? Now there is the really interesting part, Xtra certainly does not equal Netgate. Xtra as an entity has no problem peering whatsoever, its only Netgate that does. I believe quite a few ISP's use Netgate for domestic connectivity. If any ISP's want a domestic link ( up to about 10M ) we would be happy to supply this at a reasonable price. Current peering ISP's at APE are - Clear, Plain, Telstra, Ihug, Attica, Xtra, Morenet Connection types could be - Telecom dds/atm, United fibre, Clear frame, Telstra frame, Walker Wireless hmm, the cat is now among the pigeons, hehe --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog