RE: [nznog] Mailwasher and its Forged Bounces

18 Oct 2004

      Hi Matt

I totally agree with you, the other option is to simply black list email
from them, but if the option is disabled by default simply a few users will
not be aware of it, I remember experiencing a similar thing many years ago, 

The situation was that simply the customer was not aware that the software
that they were using had port scanning turned on by default (it was a mirc
script), The person was simply banned from the isp

Are mailwasher doing enough to make there customers aware of this? Un wanted
traffic on a mail server is simply not needed

Garrett Stoupe
Network And Database Administrator
Cabbage Tree Press
garretts(a)te.co.nz
www.te.co.nz
www.jobzone.co.nz
www.nzcarbuys.co.nz

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Poole [mailto:matt(a)p00le.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:57 AM
To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
Subject: Re: [nznog] Mailwasher and its Forged Bounces

Sadly, as Steve has said, the Mailwasher authors have precisely zero
interest in being good members of the 'net community.  This has been raised
with them before, I believe NZNOG was informed at the time, too.
I'm aware of ISPs who've politely told customers using the bounce feature
that if they don't desist immediately (for very, very small values of "right
the f**k now!") their account will be terminated for T&C violations.  Most
customers then listen.  And one plonker who boasted about using the bounce
feature,on Usenet, was reported to to TCL abuse by at least three people and
promptly vanished.

If ISPs take a hard line with customers who use the bounce feature, maybe
even explicitly forbid it in their T&C, it might add a little weight to
requests to  the Mailwasher authors to remove the feature.  Failing that, a
lawyergram advising of a potential criminal complaint tends to buck peoples'
ideasup.
...
That'd be nice :P
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Blair Robson wrote:
...
I agree with you Marky Mark,
I'm sure the mailwasher team wouldn't mind putting something in about
it.
...
...
Blair Robson
Wireless Data Technical Specialist
Telecom New Zealand Ltd
wdhd(a)telecom.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Foster" 
To: "Lennon - Orcon" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nznog] Mailwasher and its Forged Bounces
...
...
I know ISPs dont like referencing third party hosted data, but if
there's
demand i'd gladly write up something and put it on my site. Assuming
noone
has beaten me to it.
At the risk of replying to myself - and for the benefit of those
readers
...
...
who don't understand why this is a 'bad thing'(tm) - I ranted about it
anyway.
Those interested can view it at http://www.blakjak.net/node/view/134
As always, opinions posted are mine only.
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