Possibly, except that Kevin's website has information on how to setup tunnels if you can't get native transit. So the conversation will possibly go something like: ISP - "Hello, helpdesk speaking" User - "Hi, I really really need IPv6, can I get it please?" ISP - "Are you joking? There's no content out there, and you can get everything over V4" User - "Well, there is content that *I* want, do you provide native IPv6 or don't you?" ISP - "No, we don't." User - "Oh well, I'll setup one of these tunnel things then." <click> And the ISP can't see what traffic is going across their network. <shrug> -- Andrew Ruthven, Wellington, New Zealand At home: andrew(a)etc.gen.nz | This space intentionally | left blank.