[nznog] AS paths from NZIX route servers

31 Jul 2016

      As a smaller eyeball provider, we dropped our 1Gbps port with APE as there
wasn't significant inbound traffic that we weren't able to get via NZIX
Inc, who now charge $350/m for a 10G port.

Megaport's pricing isn't far off this but Citylink were charging more for a
1Gbps and significantly more for 10Gbps.

Unsure if their pricing has reduced since their effective monopoly over
Auckland peering was disrupted.

Transit in NZ is cheaper for any network doing less than 100Mbps regular
traffic over peering.

Regardless many smaller networks peer because it's a good thing to do for
control, performance and community reasons :)

Regards,
Jesse

On Sunday, 31 July 2016, Tim Hoffman javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tim(a)hoffman.net.nz');> wrote:
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I would also note that for some of the smaller folks, watching the falling
price of retail internet connectivity from ISPs (per Mbit) while seeing no
change at all in the price of a WIX or APE port, peering may not make sense
any longer.
For these folks, if there is not a significant cost advantage, transit is,
simpler, cheaper to run, and doesn't have as much chance of odd routing
problems. Perhaps if they cannot bring the technical expertise to the table
to be able to maintain an IX connection, it's time to evaluate the TCO of
doing it properly or not doing it at all and going to an ISP for all their
connectivity needs...
https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/Temkin_The_Real_Cost.pdf is
some interesting reading, and is causing a bit of discussion over this side
of the world :).
What's the difference in price per 10G between the IX providers in NZ
these days anyway?
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Nathan Ward  wrote:
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Hi,
This is true - people will need to change their config.
I am with Tim, however, that we should have a consistent state to get to,
and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say there is a month from today for
people to get there, then update config for everyone.
In theory, CityLink could do some test prefixes - advertise some prefix
with an different first AS than the IX AS, then go ping something in the
ISP from both a “normal” prefix, and from the test prefix, and look for
inconsistency, then reach out and say “put this config in”.
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Nathan Ward
On 1/08/2016, at 17:32, Chris Jones  wrote:
From a “least-surprise” prospective, dropping the IX AS will need peers
to set their vendor’s equivalent of “no bgp enforce-first-as” on their
IX-facing edge router(s).  Having the ability to still send the IX AS to
peers on a peer-by-peer basis might help stop those guys completely falling
off the AS
Chris
On 1 Aug 2016, at 3:29 PM, Tim Hoffman  wrote:
What's the value on doing this on a per-peer basis, or allowing any peer
to having a differing experience?
This would create some level of inconsistency and operational confusion
IMHO, particularly given that inserting the IX AS anywhere is far from the
standard globally...
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Nathan Ward  wrote:
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..and are the least likely to have traffic volumes worth worrying about.
The big content providers are on this list, as are the big eyeballs RS
peers. A few weeks should be enough notice I think, I stand in support of
2016-8-31.
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Nathan Ward
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On 1/08/2016, at 16:58, Richard Nelson  wrote:
Equally, those unaware of the necessity are those most unlikely to see
a wall of shame...
...
The problem is that, few though they may be, the systems that will
need to
opt out are the ones mostly likely to be run by people who are
unaware of
that necessity.
Rather, simply set a flag day -- say 1/10/2016 -- and on that date
switch
over everyone who opts in between now and then. From 1/9 start a
"wall of
shame" for those who haven't opted in...
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Simon Allard wrote:
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HI Dave
Sounds good to me. It will certainly change traffic levels, as
carriers with other IX’s will be being preferred  due to the shorter path.
I would however like to see Opt-Out rather than Opt-in, since it’s a
corrective fix to bring APE/WIX inline with IX best practise.
From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:
nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dave Mill
Sent: Monday, 1 August 2016 8:51 a.m.
To: Daniel Griggs 
Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz
Subject: Re: [nznog] AS paths from NZIX route servers
Would there be any advantage to having a "flag day" for this where
On 1/08/16 4:55 PM, Martin D Kealey wrote:
the people that opt in to having the RS AS removed from the path will all
have it removed on the same day? And then we could all co-ordinate here on
any issues that arise?
...
...
Cheers
Dave
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On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Griggs 
mailto:daniel(a)nzrs.net.nz> wrote:
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Sounds entirely reasonable.
100% of people in this thread support this idea.
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On 29/07/2016, at 7:12 PM, Sid Jones 
nznog(a)uuuuuu.net>> wrote:
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That obviously will require a little more work on our behalf,
indications here of interest would help with that. Input welcomed.
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