Re: [nznog] Pacific Fibre to Cease Operations - cites not enough investment.

*** NOTE: I apologise for being very very blunt and maybe a little rude, but I'm genuinely trying to help and give some guidance as to how NZ can succeed and do better, but sometimes it's hard to do without enraging people a little. *** On 02/08/2012, at 9:45 AM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote:

On 2 August 2012 11:45, Jay Daley wrote:

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Heh, I understand it has been agreed that is what is **going** to happen; I was purely commenting on existing.

MMC> I disagree that we need to appear as a suburb of Auckland, the population split last I looked was something - finger in the air - something like 60% Potential customers in Urban Auckland and 40% combined total rest of the country. That is only something like 2-3 million people in a position to use data services total and 1 million odd of them are in Auckland.

And the logic that partitioning up an already small population on a couple of small islands is *precisely* the problem here. Look at the super-daft TNZ domestic peering policy that does exactly this. You guys need to *STOP* the internal fighting about which city/island/etc is king and just focus on having a place where content can deliver it. Rather than trying to justify having these tiny pockets of population because of North/South rivalries that are only actually important inside NZ how about trying to show some national pride and say "hey content people, here's the place to be in NZ" and demand that it gets delivered inside your country.

I also don't really care about having to go to AU for "stuff" so long as there are options to get there.

At the moment you have none. As much as you want them they're not going to help, they're going to lock you into paying more for internet connectivity. You need to assume that there are going to be no new options built for a while and so get on with solving the problems that you can.

There is an obvious Need for an NZ located Public Cloud for Govt and Data privacy reasons, yet another reason to have Geo-redundant links North and South, I am more convinced this is a better line of resaoning to pursue than " We need another big data-centre in Auckland" line.

So on one hand you're arguing for a national facility for something but arguing against the connectivity for it because it might be in Auckland? There *ARE NO* big user-friendly, content-friendly data-centres in Auckland. I'm arguing for build just *ONE* that is easy for people to build into and get connectivity. Summary: Have some Kiwi pride, bond together and make it easier for people to build into NZ rather than abdicating to the beaches of Bondi. No one cares about internal squabbles about population. MMC