Re: [nznog] Fwd: [kiwi foo campers] stubbornness

The negative possibility being that if the industry can't sort it out, perhaps the government will remove the ambiguity, but not in favour of the industry. ...Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve(a)eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve -- NOC, NOC, who's there? Disclaimer: Limits of Liability and Disclaimer: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain sensitive and private proprietary or legally privileged information. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. eintellego Pty Ltd and each legal entity in the Tefilah Pty Ltd group of companies reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. Any reference to costs, fee quotations, contractual transactions and variations to contract terms is subject to separate confirmation in writing signed by an authorised representative of eintellego. Whilst all efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, we cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or compatible with your systems and do not accept any liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced.

-----Original Message----- From: Brislen, Paul, VF-NZ [mailto:Paul.Brislen(a)vodafone.com] Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 9:07 AM To: Andy Linton; NZNOG List Subject: Re: [nznog] Fwd: [kiwi foo campers] stubbornness

I was going to steer clear but think I should jump in at this point.

The govt has indicated that it wants the ISPs/TCF to come up with a Code of Practice and that if it doesn't it will suspend s92.

That doesn't necessarily mean s92 will vanish - the govt has suggested that if a Code doesn't get introduced (requiring buy-in from both sides ie ISPs and rights holders) then it will have to come up with its own solution. That may be non-ideal.

As an ISP we're happier working towards a solution (even if it is lipstick on a pig) that might make the existing law work while at the same time pointing out the flaws in the legislation as it stands (and I highly recommend Judge David Harvey's paper on s92 and why it should be chucked out for anyone who's interested in such things).

I guess it's a case of better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

Plus if the govt does decide to come up with a new piece of legislation we've played ball and our input will be valued. I hope.

Cheers

Paul

Paul Brislen External Communications Manager Vodafone New Zealand 021 721 337

-----Original Message----- From: Andy Linton [mailto:asjl(a)lpnz.org] Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 10:55 a.m. To: NZNOG List Subject: [nznog] Fwd: [kiwi foo campers] stubbornness

Seems to me that ISPs should follow TelstraClear's lead and get their ass out of the TCF negotiations ASAP.

andy

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From: Richard Wood Date: 12 March 2009 10:32:37 To: campers(a)groups.baacamp.org Subject: [kiwi foo campers] stubbornness Reply-To: campers(a)groups.baacamp.org

A spokesman for Justice Minister Simon Power told NZPA it was still the Government's preference that the industry should sort out the issue itself.

"We're advised that the negotiations are going along in a reasonably constructive way so we're hopeful that could still happen, even without TelstraClear," the spokesman said.

http://www.guide2.co.nz/politics/news/copyright-negotiations- reasonably- constructive039-govt-says/11/6261

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