I thought it was more of a discussion on the operational impact of legal matters that do concern us. After all, if you stick your head in the sand, your ass is still sticking up in the air. The whole patent issue has become absurd. See http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cache:W-uYKaq65-YJ:yro.slashdot.org/yro /03/02/12/200209.shtml%3Ftid%3D95%26tid%3D155+slashdot+patents&hl=en&ie= UTF-8 for a group that does affect most operators e.g. keyword searches The question is, how should we be protecting ourselves from costly frivilous lawsuits. Should InternetNZ be taking an active approach, with the backing of providers? Is a "safety in numbers" approach more beneficial? As for the Crimes Act, we'll be watching for a test case. I think we're all aware of the current lack of skilled people in the law enforcement area with respect to computer crime. Hopefully this will change for the better, but overseas, where such laws have been in place for a considerable period, there are still chronic shortages of skilled staff. Gordon Smith CCNA Network Operations Manager MoreNet Ltd PGP Fingerprint: 4B12 FBE4 784A 3294 6637 4587 AB6F C893 AB2C 952C