On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, John Tran wrote: *SNIP* a really interesting e-mail First, John, that was most enlightening. Thanks. One point that was raised in this discussion is that, for many NZ (and other pacific-based) organisations, a /21 is a huge requirement. A lot of companies can justify a /24, maybe even a /23, or a /22 at a stretch, but a /21 is just out of the realms of possibility, probably ever. APNIC policies seem to be more biased towards the A than the P, even with the change from /20 to /21. Obviously a country could set up an NIR to do smaller allocations, but a lot of the little islands out there are unlikely to have the infrastructure to run their own NIR with any kind of reliability. Not to mention that their sub-allocation requirements wouldn't justify the resources and expense. With this in mind, is there anything that can be done to create something like a sub-RIR under APNIC to better serve the needs of the large number of sparsely-populated countries in this region? It may be that anyone can suggest policy, but the actual voting is weighted towards large organisations and not even NZ's largest user of IP addresses makes it into the Extra Large category. -- Matthew Poole "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."