Please don't do that, remember that once apon a time many people on the list worked as a helpdesk person and that would just be mean. Remembering it's not the tekky on the other side of the phones fault and most of the time people high up wont even know what happening :) Barry DISCLAIMER ---------- These are my thoughts and mine only, this is a personal mail and should be treated as one. -----Original Message----- From: nznog(a)neilnz.com [mailto:nznog(a)neilnz.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2003 6:26 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] Irked with TelstraClear Obvious answer - vote with feet (or threats of stampedes) Everyone on here that works somewhere that uses TelstraClear or Iconz, phone TelstraClear, every day and complain about non specific network wierdness between the two ISPs. Ask why they don't peer anymore. Repeat. JSR, Do you have any numbers or names of people that this sort of (justified, and for gosh sake, please be polite when doing it) enquiry would be best directed towards? Cheers - N. -----Original Message----- From: J S Russell [mailto:jsr(a)jsr.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2003 3:57 p.m. To: Simon Garner Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Irked with TelstraClear On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Simon Garner wrote:
Well that sucks, and explains why I was seeing 700+ pings and 50%+ loss to TC hosts this morning. I note however that pings have gone back down to 10ms this afternoon and appear to be routing through APE again. Have they changed their minds already?
Nope - as I outlined earlier, we treated it as damage and routed around it. Technology triumphs over stupidity! Huzzah! Oh yeah, I should mention - since we don't buy international connectvity any more, we have been offered the option of BUYING domestic-only peering from TelstraClear for the meager sum of $25 per 64Kbits/sec per month. We've got 100Mbits/sec to APE, so that means we'll only be charged $40,000/month for TelstraClear to get one of their techs to add a "neighbour a.b.c.d" line to their router so that we (and TC) can use the links that we both already have in place! Amazing! I mean, ICONZ manages to domestically peer over APE at 100Mbits/sec with other ISPs for FREE - and some of those ISPs are orders of magnitude smaller than us, with a mere fraction of the resources of TelstraClear. You'd think TC could peer quite casually with all comers for free, since "Bobs Bait Shop and ISP" can certainly manage it. But NO! $40K/month! Cheap at half the price! That'll buy the chimp LOTS of bananas, and maybe even an old tyre on a rope for swinging around! Ook ook, JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff. _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog