It seems that Zfree is delibratley slowing down Internet access to some of Orcon's internal network. Before I accuse you of being paranoid, let me make sure I understand everything :) If we test by dialing up using a Zfree account, most of our network is blazingly fast, however access to our Mail server and FreeHost server is painfully slow. (mail.orcon.net.nz and freehost.orcon.net.nz) Access? From what IP address(es) --- which protocols where you using? Last time we informed them of this problem, the issue mysteriously went away - but now it is back again a week later. Are any more details available here? I suspect that Zfree is delibratley rate-shaping the amount of traffic that can go to our mail server and our freehost server from their network to prevent people from accessing them. I suspect you are wrong. For one thing, "ZFree" is not a completely separate network to CLIX and CLEAR Net, there is considerable overlap in places. Right now, the path facing these hosts from CLIX is via APE, there is no 'rate-shaping' as such facing this network at present. Minor nit, CLEAR does not rate-shape... it is (in my opinion, and I'm more than happy to expand upon this) an incredibly evil technology plagued with scalability and reliability problems, it also breaks various end-to-end assumptions. For bandwidth management, people should look at queue-and-drop technologies (CBQ or HPFQ) or do it at the application layer. It is quite frustrating when it is our helpdesk that is recieving all the calls (because theirs is 0900), when it is actually their problem - especially when the customers that are calling us are not actually using us for dialup. Any system administrators for Clear got something to say about this? ;-) Send me packet dumps (full payload, not just headers) from both ends of 'affected' transactions and also packet dumps from good transactions. Please state the operating systems and versions used at each end. If one end is windows, then tell me what size and shape rubber chicken was waived over the box to bless the installation. --cw --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog