Im sorry if i have offended anyone in asking for this - i did not mean to. Here are some answers back to you queries tho: - I have tried all other avenues with a standard no response - I cant just give up, i have paying clients The description of the NZNOG list is: The NZNOG mailing list exists to provide a forum for the exchange of technical information and the discussion of implementation issues that require cooperation among New Zealand network service providers. Other technical and operational matters relating to the Internet are also discussed. - XTRA is a network service provider, i am a network service provider. You can classify Email as a network service OR other technical/operational matters - i guess? - Hmm NZMAG, is there such a list? (or is asking this question outside of the classification of "Other technical and operational matters relating to the Internet")? - I run a small corporate hosting facility for select clients. Interesting enough, I asked a question on XTRAs mail system quite some time ago and got a great response from individuals on this list. What has changed in 2-3 months? Thanks anyway. Simon