:: I don't think you realize how hard this sort of thing is to :: impliment. At :: the minimum it's and extra serive for your account, associated :: documentation, advertising and training for staff. Then it's :: some sort of :: firewall that has to be triggered when you login (or when :: your ip changes :: due to dhcp lease expiring) which means it much be tied into :: the customer :: database and radius servers. I have a static IP, and I suspect that customers like me would be the prime target for such a service, not customers with a dynamic IP (for obvious reasons). :: Then it's an online options page for you to select exactly :: what you want :: plus some ducumentation. :: :: At a minimum it would be a few thousand worth of staff time :: to setup (lots :: more for someone big like Xtra) which you then have to trade :: off against :: projected income, costs etc. Yeah, well, what would ISPs prefer? That extra effort, or customers leaving in droves because they can't afford huge ADSL bills? The Internet worms aren't going to go away, ditto DoS attacks. If I thought they would, I'd sit tight and wait (with my modem turned off ;-)). :: Remember, the traffic is already going to your ip so your :: ISP is paying :: for it. So, it would appear to be in the ISP's interest to limit unwarranted traffic as well, but this is a separate issue. :: Small aside, how much traffic do these worms do to machine :: that are not :: listening on port 80 anyway? I would have only thought a :: couple of packets :: when they request a new connection and get connection refused ? Good point. :: Please don't go around threating people, you are on the Internet and :: paying for traffic that you do. This includes Code Red scans :: and when you :: get flooded for anoying people on IRC. Threat? How is this a threat? Who have I threatened? I think this is an issue that needs to be talked about. Give me a reason why it's not important to DSL customers, and I'll listen as always. -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog