Re: [nznog] TC & T Possible Peering changes

I think you raised some good points. www.bowenvale.co.nz - national or international? Joe Blow customer will tell you 'easy, national, see it's got a .co.nz on the end of it'. Run a trace route and you'll find it's not hosted in NZ at all. In Australia they have data caps followed by rate control so that 5% of the population don't take 95% of the capacity. Both Telstra and Optus started as a free for all (AUP) then changed to a 100% data charged model (untill Telstra proved it couldn't account for data accuratly) and then went to the current model. Seems to me at present NZ is just following the pack. Cheers Don On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 14:16, neil gardner wrote:

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Juha Saarinen 28/05/2004 2:06:47 p.m. >>> You're kidding right? We have T&Cs that speak of "best effort service"

with no guarantee as to any aspect of delivery.

I kid not... This quote is taken (almost at Random) from Paradise... "JetStart Traffic is calculated depending on the location of the site the traffic is coming from or going to. Any traffic to or from New Zealand sites (national traffic) is charged at 1/10th of the normal traffic charge, while traffic to or from a site outside New Zealand (international traffic) is charged at the full traffic rate."

That tells me (in my mind) that traffic from a site in New Zealand will be charged at 1/10th of the normal rate. No normal home user should be expected to understand that just because of a spat between 2 National ISPs, Traffic from me here in Chch to a server in Wellington might go via Sydney and therefore be classed as International Traffic.

Interestingly, as Paradise have that written right now, it doesn't matter. The way they have used the word "Site" in that context would clearly convey to a reasonable person that they mean the end server, not the last or most remote hop... So even if my traffic to and from Trademe goes via Timbuktu, the "Site" is Trademe, and it's a "New Zealand sites (national traffic)" (sic)

Cheers - N.

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