You're addressing a community effort. They wax and wane. You can't control them, you can only engage a discussion and hope that it pans out.

I have a lot more understanding for your take on it than I do the whingers who screech that threads need to die though, that was a good rant. The same whingers never have anything useful to say, people who beg for "things to die" never post anything else. I propose that the moderators moderate, the talkers talk and the whingers get back to envying the mods more silently.

Tristram Cheer wrote:
What�s happened to this list?

Seems it�s moved away from technical side of things and turned into some pseudo-political list for the ISP industry, this is shown in the steady shrinking of messages posted and the disturbing level of flame wars (I.e. Telecom Paging interface).

Lets recap what the past 2 months Topics have been

July: Mobile Data & Voip, Spammers, Dns Issue
June: Power Down in 09, Telecom TCP/IP Paging Interface, Bit's of net history in NZ

And look at what we were talking about a year ago

July: NTP, SPF & Spam, ISP Map's and Locations, New IX Locations, Upload Speeds, Vpn's in 04,
June: Telecom's Pest Control/Rat's and Fibre Optics, Trademe Problems, NZ Ip's, Telstra Faults, NetScreen help

Something�s seriously wrong when there is more coverage on TV3 than NZNOG about the governments decision to go ahead with LLU, we got like 12 messages on it.

No one has even really talked about the sale of 3.5 GHz microwave spectrum and the Wimax trials that are currently in progress, a lot of issue slip beneath the radar list because it's "off-topic".
While I�m ranting I�m aware that some on the list think that a issue with the countries largest ISP isn't list-worthy but when a potential 300,000 people drop off the face of the net it always has a flow on effect to other's in the industry, if posting to the list and asking the question can save anyone some time or hair on their head then I personally think it's worth while. It's not exactly like it's clogging up the list because we have 100's of messages to read every morning

We are all relatively smart people here and I would like to think of this list as a place where we can come to and ask question, give answers and collectively come up with solutions to issues facing the users of our respective networks.

Enough with the flame's and the "Can we please kill this thread" comments, let's get the list back to a place where we can come and talk to our peer's in the industry
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Yeah it's a long rant and a bit blunt but its 2am and I�m running new router config through a test harness
FYI: This is my opinion and my opinion alone and does not reflect the company i work for


Mark Foster wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Patrick Mackey wrote:

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Before things get sidetracked too much, as I mentioned, the problem is
with msa.hinet.net, not msa.hinet.tw.
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Can we please kill this thread.

Since when did nznog become the Xtra helpdesk?


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Hmm, Deja Vu...

Oh, look:

http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/nznog/2006-May/011527.html


Mark.

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