Jamie makes a good point. APNIC assigns address space on the proviso that half of it is used within a year, and the entirety within another year (IIRC). Given that they assign a minimum /21, and NZ alone has a thousand poky ISPs run by kids, probably vast chunks of space are being given out to organizations with a few dozen customers. APNIC does assign smaller blocks, but only under quite strict conditions, probably which cannot be met by most small operators. Just my $0.02. Erin Salmon Managing Director Unleash Technology Solutions Phone: +64 3 365 1273 Mobile: +64 275 877 913 (new) -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Baddeley [mailto:jamie.baddeley(a)vpc.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2006 9:10 p.m. To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv4 Exhaustion On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 19:59 +1300, Keith Davidson wrote:
Interesting thread. InternetNZ recently received its IPv6 allocation (based on our sliver of IPv4 space) and I note we have around 4 billion ipv6 numbers allocated - the equivalent of the entire Internets IPv4 space.
One question that I'd have is how much of that IPv4 space is used, planned to be used, or will never be used? And then I'd ask that same question to APNIC members in NZ who've got IPv4 assignments. And then I'd ask the cellular providers who shall remain unnamed that recently started announcing a /16 of v4 what their expectations of that v4 assignment lifetime is. That's 'the canary in the mine' IMHO.
Notwithstanding, its still pretty hard to find an upstream provider
offering
end to end IPv6 in or from NZ.
Some of the debate on IPv4 exhaustion is pretty abstract, with some alarmists saying the end is nigh, others saying that shortage of space will lead to a secondary and valuable market for selling the space etc.
It occurs to me that IPv6 is inevitable, its not a question of if, but a question of when.
I agree. Though there comes a point where the When is so far away, it starts to look like an If :-)
To that end, is there an enthusiasm within the NOG for NZ to be leaders,
or
are we content to be followers in the transition?
That's a fair question. Whilst there's seems to be no real solid business case to deploy it in the short term or a reason to entertain the idea, frankly at this point in proceedings being a watcher, or follower as you put it, is probably a sensible thing to do for *some* operators. Now if we could convince *the rest of the world* to pay NZ to be a self contained, network of networks v6 test-bed that is an entirely different matter. That would certainly be worth leading on, and I'd be fairly excited about that. jamie _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: 26/11/2006 11:30 a.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: 26/11/2006 11:30 a.m.