Highly irked, in fact. I just got to send the following notification to TelstraClear: (Note: MSWord format - my apologies) http://jsr.com/~jsr/outages/ TC have decided that since ICONZ no longer buy international bandwidth from them, and we don't meet "current policy", they're going to drop all domestic peering with us. So, any Telstra/Clear users who want to read IDG, or look up something at NZPost, or enjoy your new international charges for doing so! I have seen some dumb-ass moves in the NZ internet scene before, but this one ranks right up there next to El DNS Buffoon Spectacularrrr in its idiocy. I mean, sure, TC are still peered with ISPs smaller than ICONZ. But they obviously meet the "policy". Or they're next for the chop. My boss tells me that he's tried to contact Raymond O'Brien (Head of Wholesale at TC) to get him to define the "policy" as stated in the above email quote - and that he declined to do so. How convenient. My personal opinion is that this policy may well be "Whoever pissed me off the most, recently." as that's certainly how it appears. I mean, ICONZ is a major NZ ISP, we have a nationwide network, multiple POPS, we're peered at APE, WIX, we've got a bunch of major web presences hosted with us .. if we don't meet TC's peering criteria, then WHO THE HELL DOES? I am VERY DISAPPOINTED by TelstraClear - even Telecom doesn't pull this kind of stunt. I, and the ICONZ engineering staff, are currently treating this as damage and looking for a nice way to route around it. I can't BELIEVE that some strategically shaved chimp at TelstraClear actually got PAID to make this decision. Way to build a business relationship, guys. JSR -- John S Russell | Big Geek | Doing geek stuff.