Re: [nznog] Don't quite get this?

Ignoring torredo though, let's say that I downloaded a torrent yesterday (which I did..) via plain old ipv4 using transmission. How much would most Kiwi ISP's be able to tell me about that download? Would they have logged that I was using bittorrent? Would they know the filename? On 2 September 2011 08:09, Tim Price wrote:

ISP's ability to detect and therefore limit bittorrent traffic with DPI is reserved for those customers that chose to disable the default torredo tunnelling and encryption on utorrent.  I suspect that Xtra found this to their dismay when they pulled their 'big time' plan.  The last bastion of hope for ISPs these days is to use heuristic traffic pattern analysis to detect usage behaviour.  In any case the content remains encrypted.

-----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Paul Brislen Sent: Friday, 2 September 2011 6:43 a.m. To: Daniel Richards Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Don't quite get this?

Let me jump in here also... I wasn't trying to imply that ISPs know what's in the file, i was just using The Terminator as an example of a file. The 13 points the rights holders have to supply include the file name, where it was downloaded from, IP address etc and right down to the time of download to the second.

If the rights holder gets any of that wrong, the ISP will reject the application.

I have heard from at least one ISP that they will consider some kind of deep packet inspection capability in future if this round of action doesn't curb downloading.

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On 1/09/2011, at 9:23 PM, "Daniel Richards" wrote:

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The ISP can't verify you've downloaded exactly what the rights holder says you have.

ISPs don't generally capture every single bit of every single packet that goes through their routers.

A) That's a LOT of data and B) It would cost A LOT (More than ISPs would be willing to spend!) to capture that with no dropped packets. (Which is technically feasible, but again, would cost too much)

So realistically, ISPs can't prove you did or didn't _actually_ download the Terminator.

(Note that the NSA/GCSB/GCHQ/etc may or may not be capturing every single packet! That's up to you to figure out..)

On 1/09/2011 8:08 p.m., Bruce Kingsbury wrote:

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Re: Paul Brislen: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=1 0748747 ] " The ISP doesn't. It's up to the rights holder to determine that you've downloaded that file called The Terminator and that it's a movie and that they have the rights to it and that you haven't got the rights to download it.  if they can't demonstrate that to the ISP (which will then check its records to determine if that file was downloaded and if so at what time and by whom) then the ISP rejects the claim."

I don't quite get this. I know the ISP will have records of who had what IP address and perhaps even fairly detailed logs of how much throughput over the day, but if they get told that whatever IP at 8:08:45 pm was observed downloading The Terminator, are any of the the ISP's able to refute that? Do they even log what kind of traffic I was doing at the time? Do they keep track of http vs. torrent vs. skype traffic?

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