Re: [nznog] IPv6

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:30:47 +1200, Steve Phillips wrote:

At 13:05 17/07/2003 +1200, Nathan Ward wrote:

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:42:09 +1200, Steve Phillips wrote:

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Part of the idea would be to build a native IPv6 network in New Zealand, as such - the ISP's will need to be reasonably heavily involved as they will have issues they will need to sort out.

I have a native v6 network. The issue is connecting that to other native v6 networks to get some usage out of it. ISPs sit around talking about doing native v6 end to end. I am proposing that while we wait for that to happen on a large scale, we go and setup a peering/tunnel point for those of us at the end of v4 only networks.

It would be better to pressure your ISP into doing something about IPv6 even if this is simply "please setup a tunnel end point for people to use !"

How is that better? That doesn't allow people from different ISPs to communicate unless there is inter-ISP tunneling going on as well. And again, it relies on the ISP doing something. I am thinking ISP independant, they can't charge for it, they can't turn it off, they can't neglect it because it doesn't make them money.

Putting the tunnel endpoint on APE would potentially cause issues (routing could be fun if it was not to have access internationally - and even the "citylink local to NZ" ranges cause problems for the large majority of NZ)

I don't follow.. How will that cause issues? (I'm not aware of this 'citylink local to nz' range issue you speak of)

As previously stated, I have been looking as the "second step" to putting a local tunnel endpoint in New Zealand somewhere that will be open to people wanting to peer with it via tunnels, this would simply be a normal box housed at some shonky ISP that didn't mind forking out small amounts for international bandwidth and was still connected reasonably well in New Zealand nationally so as not to worry about national capacity.

Why does there have to be this international thing? Sure, a .nz tunnel provider with international connectivity would be nice, but is it really useful if we have a 'local addresses only' tunnel endpoint? There are already international tunnel brokers around.. Any who do you suggest? I don't see any hands being raised. And if lots of people start using it, is it going to stay there?

This still does not address the main issue, and that is - ISP's are not moving to IPv6 because /insert latest reason not to here/

It may address some of these issues. For instance - Users, there will now be people using v6 in NZ. Waiting for upstream providers, there are many non-APE connected ISPs. They can now offer v6 ( and are more likely to than larger providers, because upgrading a smaller network is alot easier and cheaper ). Who cares? If we want to do it, lets just do it. As I said, its a geek project for the moment, but when the time eventually comes that the ISPs get over all those reasons, there will be people using v6 in New Zealand already who will want to sign up for connectivity/services with native v6. -- Nathan Ward Esphion Ltd.