On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 02:17:24PM +1200, Juha Saarinen said:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Simon Blake wrote:
Rather than moderate the content, why not just close list membership? Delete everybody off the list, add back on the people you know are genuine NZ network operators, and set the list up so that requests to join get sent to some group of moderators (or to the list). Then, vett new requests to join through the current members. Leave the web pages and archives public, so that the world can still read about what we're up to.
Yes, it's cliquey, yes, it's elitist, but well, who cares. It's the Network Operators Group - we need to get it a back on topic PDQ, otherwise it'll cease to have any relevancy to the community it seeks to serve, and it'll get replaced with something else (that probably will have a closed membership).
I think you're probably asking a lot of Donald there. So he's to work out a definition of what exactly constitutes a NZ network operator (ie. network operators from other countries are banned) and then verify who exactly fits the definition. How would he do that?
No. What I suggested was that he pick a few of the current members that he knows meets some basic defn of NZ network operator, and seed the list with them. Then, the list as a whole can choose who else joins. All I'm asking Don to do is seed an initial list, and if he misses anybody who is a legit operator then they'll be known to others on the list, and be (re)instated as members. I certainly don't expect any one person to be the sole arbiter of what constituted a network operator, but I'd expect the hive mind to have a fairly good idea.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not how NANOG operates. If they can handle the occasional outburst of off-topic messages, and I'm sure they get more of that on NANOG than on NZNOG, then the participants on this list are probably able to do so as well.
How is how NANOG operates relevant? It gets a lot more traffic - the effect on the s/n ratio of the occasional off-topic outburst is minimal, on NZNOG it's significant. If NZNOG got 50-100 posts a day, then there probably wouldn't be a problem. But it doesn't.
Closing NZNOG would set a bad example, IMO.
To whom? Why do we care? Is this list here to set an example, or to grease the operation of the NO community? Cheers Si