(I am not affiliated with any of the companies mentioned in this e-mail) Could companies like Vodafone , Walker Wireless and so forth implement IPV6 on their wireless networks (so all devices have a unique address), and then have a v4 - v6 gateway for data that needs to be moved back and forth across to the traditional internet.. In the case of City Link in Wellington - or even if there is a roll out of a similar structure in Auckland - would it not be worth the companies while to start using IPV6 - future proofing the network, and also providing the "benefits" that using IPV6 would provide - IPSec and all that.. With the "sudden growth" in wireless demand and Fridges, Cars and almost everything else you can think of becoming IP aware, isn't the switch to IPV6 like switching from Black & White television to Color? Those who want to keep their B&W going - (Nanna Vision) then go ahead, those who want to go to color get the benefits of color, - I don't agree with the Nuclear Weapon synergy sorry. For an ISP like XTRA to goto IPV6, all they would need to do is send out an e-mail / cd / floppy / virus ;) that upgrades the IP stack on the windows boxes (Because most all other OS's now by default have IPv6 support as mentioned before) - if Microsoft developed a IP Stack that has IPV6 support for all the granpa's who stil run 95' or simply don't want to continue to pay the MS Tax then a roll out of that type would be no issue. (Please correct me if I am wrong here) -----Original Message----- From: Arron Scott [mailto:ascott(a)cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, 27 May 2003 9:31 am To: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: RE: [nznog] IPv6 at APE Someone in the IETF once made the statement that "IPv6 was somehwat like a Nuclear Weapon, hope we never have to use it, but nice to know it's there just in case". Although obviously it is important the operations groups get to grips with v6 (and it's MANY implications), I still wonder what the business drivers will be for people to use IPv6 extensively in NZ. Until a critical mass is reached it will be up to those who build IPv6 clouds to provide the v6-v4 gateways, and I still see the real work going on in China, and the mobile provider networks. Are you seeing a real world move in America/Canada yet Joe ? Arron Scott -----Original Message----- From: Peter Macaulay [mailto:exedir(a)internetnz.net.nz] Sent: Monday, 26 May 2003 6:31 p.m. Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] IPv6 at APE InternetNZ will propose an IPv6 task Force within the next four months. We will provide infrastructure and admin. support. Looking forward to the NOG providing the IPV6TF with brain power and knowledge. IPV6 is inevitable, but who knows when it will become dominant, as the last flag day was the last flag day. Simon Byrnand wrote:
At 17:20 26/05/03 +1200, Nathan Ward wrote:
No demand for it because noone is using it. Noone uses v6 until someone else is. Noone used the Internet until someone else did either.. We've heard it all before..
I don't know about you, but I'm willing to put up my time etc. to try
and help seed the usage of v6.
If nothing else comes from it, it'd be nice to be one of the few in the know when/if v6 does /eventually/ come around.
The problem I can see with the introduction of ipv6 is that its such a
fundamental change, a bit like converting an entire country from imperial to metric, except that you're trying to convert the WHOLE world :)
Another analogy would be in trying to convert the entire world from the 60 second / 24 hour time system to "metric time". (Where there are
100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour etc - don't laugh, somebody tried in the 70's :)
Most of the things that have devloped on the internet have involved stepping stones that gave some measure of backward compatibility or transition phase until the old stuff was well and truly obsolete, but for something as fundamental as ip addresses its a big jump no matter what you do.... :/ Just think about all the legacy software that doesn't and never will work with ipv6 addressing too...(Win95 anyone ? :)
Regards, Simon
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