At 13:04 12/09/2002 +1200, Arron Scott wrote:
The reason I mentioned this ... non-RFC compliant idea in the first place, was the number of comments I get from customers who state that the cost and ease of obtaining the AS number is not as Joe says "trivial". It costs a fair bit of money and takes a fair bit of time.
Hmmm, throughout Asia, any organisation who has complained about it being difficult to get any resources from APNIC usually has not tried. Just want to reiterate Joe's experience - it really isn't that hard, and that's the feedback I get when people who said it was hard actually tried. There are two ways of getting an ASN from APNIC: from my multihoming tutorial at the last APNIC conference (www.apnic.net/meetings/14/programme/docs/bgp-tut-slides-pfs.pdf) these are: - existing APNIC member - fill up http://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/docs/asn-request - costs nothing more than you already pay - become an APNIC member (takes some time, and money), then do the above - apply as a non-member - http://www.apnic.net/member/non-member-application.html - cost US$500, annual US$50. Using a private ASN for multihoming of a customer between two ISPs works just fine so long as the two ISPs actually agree that the ASN can be used for that. In my past life I've done that, it's worked. But it definitely falls into the category of "unnecessary" - that's what public ASNs are for.
I also wanted to say that even though NZ isn't going to fix the global AS number crisis, NZ is not excused from thinking about opportunities to help, if some minor bending of 1930 allows us to do that, then we can at least consider it.
What global ASN crisis? http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-as4bytes-05.txt fixes that one, hopefully. :-)
Thanks for everyone's input, the question I am left with is ... if customer X designing their network with our Routers asks me how to multihome to 2 ISPs, do I say go and talk to APNIC first or forget it, or do I say, the ISPs have jointly agreed on a method of using Private AS numbers, go and talk to them about how it's done ? If we just want to make it happen I would be happy to offer a suitable forum to thrash it out (the three critical components being Beer/Pizza/Chairs). If not I rest my case ... thanks again
Go to upstreams - if either is an APNIC member, they get the ASN for them. As per Joe's example, it takes little time, costs nothing, or close to nothing (if the upstream chooses to charge). If upstreams refuse, or are not APNIC/ARIN/RIPE NCC members, the org has the two choices I highlighted above. If they still find they are having problems, let me know, and I will be more than happy to follow up. hth, philip -- - To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog