Interesting thread. InternetNZ recently received its IPv6 allocation (based on our sliver of IPv4 space) and I note we have around 4 billion ipv6 numbers allocated - the equivalent of the entire Internets IPv4 space. Notwithstanding, its still pretty hard to find an upstream provider offering end to end IPv6 in or from NZ. Some of the debate on IPv4 exhaustion is pretty abstract, with some alarmists saying the end is nigh, others saying that shortage of space will lead to a secondary and valuable market for selling the space etc. It occurs to me that IPv6 is inevitable, its not a question of if, but a question of when. To that end, is there an enthusiasm within the NOG for NZ to be leaders, or are we content to be followers in the transition? Is IPv6, as in development of the roadmap to deployment in NZ a useful subject for the NOG conference in January, or who do InternetNZ have to provide beers to, to get the subject on the agenda? Keith Davidson