Thanks for the feedback. The main point of the email was to find some way where content providers (in this case List Managers) could work together with New Zealand ISP's to form some basis of understanding. Some Replies to comments :
Steve Philips Wrote : Why worry about the ISP's ? It's really the cusomers that you need to 'not piss off' and the way you do that is quite simple really. Make sure you have customers on your lists that (and this next bit is the killer here) actually signed up on these lists.
Im thinking you missed the line in my initial email saying that we are compliant with the New Zealand Anti Spam law, which clearly requires an Opt in / Opt Out system. We, like many many other list services, have spent the last 5 plus months ensuring our lists only contain those who actually want to be on the list.
Steve Philips Wrote : See, and that's a really good way to avoid answering the question completely and this makes me look at your entire operation with an immediate suspicion.
Sorry ... There is no intention of misleading with that answer. There really just is one clear answer. We have complied with what ISP's have requested from us, we have left no stone unturned. However, some ISP's change their systems and when you do go back to dialogue about these changes they refuse to discuss them. The story about the little old lady is an example of what were dealing with at the moment.. And prompted this initial email discussion about the concept of a whitelist. I realize that i am probably preaching to the converted here, and appreciate that most ISP's have been helpful and open to discussions. However the idea for the whitelist came about more as a way that NZ ISP's and NZ based content providers could create a level of trust that would save us all a lot of work and hassle.. I do really appreciate everyones comments and time taken to read thru this. Skip Parker skip(a)ignition.net.nz On 5/11/2007, at 7:49 PM, Gerard Creamer wrote:
Barry Murphy wrote:
I believe the only way something like this would work (whitelist) is if it were initiated by a reputable source such as InternetNZ or the likes.
There was some talk about this last year and I offered development services for the effort, but interest / impetus dried up. It's a nice idea, but possibly irrelevant. I think the post that said 'whitelist .nz, run greylisting, subscribe to a few good RBLs' pretty much ended the discussion (I can't recall who posted it, and if I were a good nznog citizen I'd search the archive for it, but my dinner just arrived so I'm not going to...)
Gerard