At 21:58 16/07/2003 +1200, Simon Blake wrote:
Not right now, we don't, and unfortunately, unlike IPv4 we don't have convenient unused allocations laying about looking for a good home on an exchange, so I suspect we're going to have fess up with some cash.
If my reading of the APNIC site is correct, the smallest allocation we can get will cost us US$1250. I have no problem with spending such a sum - if a few ISP's say "yes, we're want to peer with IPV6, and we'll pay some $ for the facility", then we'll go out and get an allocation tomorrow.
I know of at least three ISP's that are actively looking into IPv6 but the main issue they face is router upgrades to support it and currently the "looking" involves things such as "wtf ?? thats an IP address ??" (along with another two following the 'but no one wants it' scenario) Today I was looking at setting up a 6to4 relay router and the steps involved but no one seems to know anyone that can help from an ISP perspective and no one so far has been able to give any pointers toward this end effect (its only been a day tho so there is still hope ! :-) ).
Realistically, the $ are actually going to be pretty small - $50/month from five ISP's would cover the APNIC cost, doubtless we'll find some other reason to make it a more worthwhile sum :-).
Had not looked at the costings so far but apparently you need to prove that there is enough interest such that you would hand out at least 200 /48's worth of space within the next two years - It may pay to hold back until the equipment is enabled and possibly practice with some equiv. RFC1918 type space first and then look toward a neutral party applying and acting as an LIR initially. Billing may end up being a rather big part of this as well and there are a lot of "eek !" type things when one starts looking into this from an IP billing perspective, and this could end up being a big part of things were 6to4 gateways provided for much of New Zealand.
What other Providers are "thinking" about IPv6 (and multicast)
When yawl progress beyond thinking and actually want to do it, sing out. Despite what I've said above, it's likely that'll we'll have allocation available for APE and WIX reasonably soon regardless. Serious requests for peering will simply escalate the process.
I'll add you to my list :-) only been looking for two weeks now and already have 3 ISP's that are making serious noises about it. I think part of the issue is that people see it as a rather almighty big step to take in learning new things [tm] and this puts a lot of people off.. I went from knowing nothing over a weekend to having established a tunnel to my mates place and having two subnets of three machines each talking to each other, doing DNS, web, ssh and e-mail quite happily and with a mixture of Win2k, Linux and WinXP boxes and I'm not even a routing guy, so it cant be that hard ! (took around a day in total) If more people start looking into the requirements at least to ensure their core network will support it (IOS versions, switch and router upgrades etc) then we may be in a better position to gauge what is involved in getting some rudimentary peering working. -- Steve. PS: Anyone got any jobs going ? :-)