Seems I have brought an argument here. I have to add that these are my opinions not those my employer etc. SBI and CID are delivered from the customer at layer 2 to GGI. The customer may or may not use an address (or subnet) assigned by Telecom (actually GGI) or they may use their own. So peering comes down to GGI policy -they connect to GGI not "Telecom". Also they connect in Auckland so how you would peer in the other 28 regional peering points I don't know - haul it back down the country? I think people need to separate Telecom and GGI - they are 2 separate entities. The Telecom peering is from within AS4771 and GGI is just an upstream peer of that. Dial is actually within a separate AS so isn't included. It is a separate network and as I say - probably not worth the thought. School Zone isn't just a simple Internet access product - it has a VPN component. It also isn't in AS4771 and has its own 'Internet' connection. The 'hair splitting', I expect, is because they are quite different products and customer bases. Because they use IP doesn't make them the same. I think the Telecom peering is to their own DSL customers (their broadband). Cheers Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Mark Foster [mailto:blakjak(a)blakjak.net] Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2012 02:12 To: Wayne Kampjes Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] State of the IX. On Wed, February 1, 2012 2:02 pm, Wayne Kampjes wrote:
I suppose what I was probing was the understanding of the products. CID and SBI are layer 2 products, not sure how you peer layer2 internet access.
CID and SBI customers all have IP addresses, and these will frequently be Telecom addresses unless the customer has their own delegation and BGP arrangements... so how are those IP's reached?
One office and Remote office aren't 'Internet' products - they are VPNs so I don't think the customers woul be happy to have Telecom 'peer'.
Fair call.
GGI (international and domestic) - a story in their own right but wouldn't be covered by the Telecom peering being discussed as it isn't 'Telecom" traffic - it is 'GGI' traffic (a seperate business unit?
GGI being International Transit im not sure a domestic peering relationship has any bearing. No idea what 'Global Gateway Domestic' means but one assumes that there must be IP ranges GGI uses domestically that one would like to get access to without holding an International Transit contract or seeing the traffic via an offshore route.
School Zone - a partial VN, partial Internet access. Maybe too hard? I personally haven't thought about it.
Just another IP range within Telecom isn't it?
Dial-up - sits on a differant platform so was probably not considered worth the effort given the traffic levels.
Just another IP range within Telecom isn't it?
No idea about Telecom Hosted Applications.
If I were a business using Telecom web hosting i'd want my content to be reachable - if I were a customer with a peering arrangement with Telecom surely this is the point? Am I looking at it too simplisticly? If you peer with Telecom then shouldn't you be able to get at Telecom's IP ranges via that peering circuit? What's the value when half of their network is opted out? If I were to peer i'd want to be able to see their customers, that is, their hosting customers, their broadband customers (both ADSL (the Xtra branded stuff) and CID/SBI/Frame/DDS/SHDSL/whatever) and their legacy dialup customers, Telecom Mobile... (I've no idea how structural and operational seperation impacts on the above, but you see my point, right? Why all the hair splitting?) I really hope i've missed something obvious... Mark.