Wouldn't the most easiest thing to do is to redirect the messages to nick.bolton(a)clear.net.nz which is the administrative contact name under mailwasher.net? They will soon get the picture, Checking server [whois.crsnic.net] Checking server [whois.opensrs.net] Results: Registrant: Mail Washer PO Box 4620 Christchurch, n/a n/a NZ Domain name: MAILWASHER.NET Administrative Contact: Bolton, Nick nick.bolton(a)clear.net.nz PO Box 4620 Christchurch, n/a n/a NZ +64 3 365 4176 Technical Contact: Nesbitt, Roger roger(a)ecosm.com PO Box 13945 Christchurch, na na NZ +64 3 365 4176 Fax: +64 3 372 3535 Registration Service Provider: eCOSM Limited, roger(a)ecosm.com +64 3 365 4176 This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords, DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions. Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC. Record last updated on 05-Mar-2004. Record expires on 04-Apr-2005. Record created on 04-Apr-2001. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.ECOSM.COM 202.37.218.3 NS2.ECOSM.COM 66.216.68.106 Domain status: ACTIVE Garrett Stoupe Network And Database Administrator Cabbage Tree Press garretts(a)te.co.nz www.te.co.nz www.jobzone.co.nz www.nzcarbuys.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Fitzsimons [mailto:Bruce(a)Fitzsimons.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:22 AM To: NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] Mailwasher and its Forged Bounces James Clark wrote:
On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 06:58:58AM -0500, Steve Phillips wrote:
Actually, the mailwasher team have been informed of this and their answer is "the customers like it, it stays, we dont care that it inconveniences the ISP postmasters" (an abreviated version)
We also had this response from the MW team, when I contacted them about this (from Wave, at the time), this was over two years ago. It would be nice if they saw the light.
It might help to remember that Mailwasher was built, on contract I think, at the behest of a non network/software person. It evolved from a shareware base. The owner made a killing too (I'm not sure the developer did), and I'm sure a major reason for its success that is the satisfaction that people derived from sending the bounces off to those nasty spammers. It is not in his interest to remove the option. Removing options from users makes them grumpy. I totally agree that its not a pretty thing for the internet as a whole, but until people start requesting refunds from him because of the feature it will not change, and even then its likely that they'll just be told not to tick the box that causes it. I believe the story of MW is around on the interweb somewhere, its an interesting story that I interpret as how identification of a vertical market combined with decent marketing can make you a whole lot of money. I'm jealous. /Bruce _______________________________________________ NZNOG mailing list NZNOG(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nznog