On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling <joel@aenertia.net> wrote:
On 30 May 2012 15:25, Nicholas Lee <emptysands@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the case of a dispute, it would be better to allow the domain holder with
> the longest third level�registration�to have priority for the second level.


Bah Humbug!

why would you even consider putting an approval/sunrise or other
process in place just because there are existing $STRING.$STRING.nz
names?

Makes no sense; if a party feels that a 2ld is diluting their brand
then they should have to demonstrate that they have taken steps to
protect it - AKA Trademark laws.

Firstly, not every company in NZ can afford to pay for a trademark or a peon. �Second, the same trademark can happen for different areas.�

My point is about timing, if several years ago ago I registered simpleshortname.co.nz for whatever usage, why would I have registered that if I could have instead registered simpleshortname.nz?


On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Simon Green�<simon@simongreen.net>�wrote:
On 30 May 2012 13:25, Nicholas Lee <emptysands@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the case of a dispute, it would be better to allow the domain holder with
> the longest third level�registration�to have priority for the second level.

Why? That doesn't seem fair.

What's fair got to do with�a domain holder who has been paying for a domain for 10+ years - thus contributing to the domain infrastructure for that period - have less rights than someone who has only had a domain for 1 year?

Here is a�personal�example:

nic@vpn:~$ whois kiwa.co.nz | grep datereg
domain_dateregistered: 1998-02-17T00:00:00+13:00
nic@vpn:~$ whois kiwa.net.nz | grep datereg
domain_dateregistered: 2011-07-05T20:57:01+12:00

and an example that goes the other way:

nic@vpn:~$ whois ii.net.nz | grep datereg
domain_dateregistered: 2001-01-16T15:21:12+13:00
nic@vpn:~$ whois ii.co.nz | grep datereg
domain_dateregistered: 1999-10-20T00:00:00+13:00


Whatever the case, *.co.nz will likely be keep by most existing holders. Shifting email domains is much harder than web pages. Overall I less�positives�in this based on increased costs vs a system that has worked thus far.


Nicholas