Re: [nznog] Do you feel like a second class Internet citizen?

So the implication is that it is HTTP only? Some kind of moderately low tech fun with WPAD? On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 02:46:34PM +1200, Dean Pemberton said:

"The technology Fyx have in place to bypass IP location blocking uses an automatic proxy feature that is controlled by local DNS servers configured for the purpose. " http://www.techjungle.com/8093

Their FAQ also says to make sure to use their DNS servers (which might just be good practice however =) http://www.fyx.co.nz/faq.html

So I'm guessing that they give you back one of their proxy IPs in response to an A record request for one of the geo-location based services they support.

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Simon Blake wrote:

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Before getting into the moral turpitude, can somebody explain to me how they're doing this? ?Is it

a) using IP's from a (say) US provider/ARIN b) using some kind of proxy/NAT to rewrite packets onto (say) US IP space c) something else?

To me, (a) seems most likely, but must run a real risk that those numbers get rebadged as NZ numbers some time in the future (by Maxmind et al).

Cheers Simon

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 02:29:00PM +1200, Dean Pemberton said:

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Hi all, apologies for cross-posting.

With the recent launch of FYX and their "Global Mode" it's made me think about a number of points. I'd like to get your view on them, there are questions at the end so lets get started.

Now I know that not all marketing is to be believed, but lets have a look at some of the recent statements made by FYX:

"We need to say very specifically that we are providing a service that gives much greater access to the internet." http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=138&topicid=101761&page_no=1#621440

"We have enabled a technology we like to call "Global Mode" which creates freedom for New Zealand internet users that doesn't exist elsewhere." "So we decided to FYX the internet by removing some of the barriers that were getting in the way of great choice." "... we just do our hardest to give you the access and freedom that you deserve. Ultimately, we are about access and openness for Kiwi's." http://www.fyx.co.nz/what-is-fyx.html

So with my InternetNZ IP technical policy hat on, it got me thinking...

Are people using a "New Zealand IP Address"[1] ?to access the internet having their freedom impacted by not being treated the same as someone using a "US IP Address"[2] ?

Has Internet Citizenship got anything to do with where you are physically located any more? Or does it purely come down to where a content provider believes your IP address is originating from? ?If that's the case then there will be times when having an IP address from a certain country is an advantage, as well as a liability. ?Just like different passports really.

FYX would have us believe that they are providing their users greater access to the Internet and allowing Kiwi's [sic] to enjoy the freedom of a better internet experience. ?So here are my questions for people.

1) ?Is this claimed lack of freedom something real? ?Do New Zealanders feel that they are being somehow restricted by having their internet traffic originate from a "New Zealand IP Address"

2) ?If it is real, given that one of InternetNZs objectives is "To promote easily available access to the Internet for New Zealanders". Is there anything that InternetNZ could be doing at a policy/advocacy level to address this restriction on freedom.

3) ?Again, if it is real, do you think that just having FYX offering this service will encourage other providers to follow suit, and therefore solve the problem? Or is some other action required?

Thanks for that, look forward to the responses.

Regards, Dean

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