On 28/05/07, Russell Tester <russell@serverworks.co.nz > wrote:

Perhaps the powers that be and the list in general need to come up with
some granular list guidelines on what is / isn't appropriate to post to
this list, and make it available for all to see. It seems that most of
the traffic of this list at times is what is and isn't appropriate.

And I don't have a problem with Job adds.

2c
--Russ

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Davidson [mailto:keith@wise.net.nz]
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2007 8:30 p.m.
To: nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz
Subject: Re: [nznog] Network Engineer position available at
Smartlinx3Ltd Upper Hutt

Jamie does raise an interesting point. I have been guilty of posting
situations vacant adverts to this list in the past, for goverance roles
within InternetNZ - which are definitely not network operations roles,
but
responses from this list have sometimes been more useful than
traditional
advertising, I guess because many on the list know people who would have

suitable skills and expertise and knowledge of the "InternetNZ" way...

But I think the original posting expressed some concern that it might
end up
luring staff away from his operation. My guess here is that if people
are
scanning the sits vacants, they are already not happy in their current
role
and looking to move on regardless, so the upshot is its best for all
parties.

Further, at least I qualify the adverts I place with the proviso that I
will
provide beer to those offended by the ads, and I have some debts to pay
in
Dunedin next year...

Keith Davidson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Baddeley" <jamie.baddeley@vpc.co.nz>
To: <nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz >
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nznog] Network Engineer position available at Smartlinx
3Ltd
Upper Hutt

> Whilst I'm not keen to see the list denigrate into a jobs list, I'd
note
> that this list has been used in the past by the list moderators for
> exactly that. Many other folks have also done it from time to time
with
> no complaint.
>
> So the cat is out of the bag so to speak. So, based on the precedent
set
> by the moderators - which seems to be "advertising jobs is ok", the
> question is now, what sort of jobs are on topic.
>
> My take is this:
>
> "Jobs involving network operations, advertised by network operators
> themselves"
>
> I think to do anything less would be extremely unfair to Smartlinx and
> fairly hypocritical of the moderators to decide anything less.
>
>
>
> jamie
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 17:17 +1200, Justin Cook wrote:
>> I don't mind seeing recruitment messages, but I quit off the PHPUG
>> mailing list last week because of them. The recruitment attempts were
>> all more or less asking for a seasoned professional and offering to
pay
>> a gas station wage. Mentioning the imbalance caused several members
to
>> wet their pants and cry foul; saying that we don't want to offend the
>> sweatshop employers who were trolling the list. Ironically the job in
>> question was to build a spambot, and the loudest crybaby was a known
>> google spammer who turned out to have passed along the list details
to
>> the spambot employer in the first place. You can see how it gets ugly

>> quick.
>>
>> I don't think job posts to this list are appropriate. Why not start a
>> separate IT job list?
>>
>> Steve Phillips wrote:
>> > Gerard Creamer wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is this an appropriate use of the list?
>> >>
>> >> This is a serious question - we have positions come available from

>> >> time
>> >> to time and in the past haven't posted here in the belief that it
>> >> wouldn't be appropriate, so if it is ok we'll add it to our
>> >> recruitment
>> >> strategy for technical network team members.
>> >>
>> >> Personally, as an employer, I think it shouldn't be OK as I like
>> >> introduce my team members to the list and to encourage them to
>> >> subscribe, and it seems odd to encourage subscription to a list
that I
>> >> know will deliver inducements to leave us.
>> >>
>> >> Gerard
>> >>
>> >
>> > With all the "please contact me off list" posts and the people that

>> > seem
>> > to get precious about classifying these posts as "valid mailing
list
>> > traffic" I'd be guessing that the answer to this question is a
>> > resounding "yes !" after all, this is supposed to be a generic
contact
>> > list right ? and recruitment is simply another way of getting in
>> > contact
>> > with people that you want to do a job.
>> >
>> > I say go hard, this is a great forum for findign new recrits and
>> > contacting people that you would normally have to call a helpdesk
or
>> > something for.
>> >
>> >
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