On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Roger De Salis wrote:
Since Strongnet's email is the only "evidence" so far,
Well, I don't know if it counts, but Bruce Simpson at Aardvark says he spoke to Phil Hunt, who admitted to the spam run, and also said that he assembled the address list by doing a zone transfer from nz99.waikato.ac.nz.
ns99.waikato.az.nz isn't a server for 'nz' or its second level domains so when was he supposed to have done this transfer? I've just tried it and can't download the zone and as far as I'm aware this hasn't been available for several months. Of course an out of date copy would still do a pretty good job on this. Trying the servers for 'co.nz': $ for i in ns1.dns.net.nz ns2.dns.net.nz ns3.dns.net.nz ns4.dns.net.nz gorgon.xtra.co.nz mx.nsi.nasa.gov; do xfer co.nz $i; done named-xfer[35967]: send AXFR query 0 to 202.46.161.3 named-xfer[35967]: [[192.168.5.9].4143] transfer refused from [202.46.161.3], zone co.nz named-xfer[35970]: send AXFR query 0 to 202.46.160.5 named-xfer[35970]: [[192.168.5.9].4144] transfer refused from [202.46.160.5], zone co.nz named-xfer[35973]: send AXFR query 0 to 203.97.8.250 named-xfer[35973]: [[192.168.5.9].4145] transfer refused from [203.97.8.250], zone co.nz named-xfer[35976]: send AXFR query 0 to 203.97.40.200 named-xfer[35976]: [[192.168.5.9].4146] transfer refused from [203.97.40.200], zone co.nz named-xfer[35979]: send AXFR query 0 to 202.27.158.34 named-xfer[35979]: [[192.168.5.9].4147] transfer refused from [202.27.158.34], zone co.nz named-xfer[35982]: send AXFR query 0 to 128.102.18.31 named-xfer[35982]: [[192.168.5.9].4148] transfer refused from [128.102.18.31], zone co.nz
According to Simpson, Phil Hunt "seems to remain unrepentant for his spamming", and claims to have "picked up business from Asia Online customers as a result [of the spam run]".
This is not a technical issue - it's a commercial one and should be on the nzcig list (nz commerical isssues group). I find it fascinating as an external observer that it's the technical staff in the main having these discussions. These flamefests (which seem to me what they are) about the evils of spam are preaching in general to the converted on this list. Unless each of those technical staff can go away and convince their commercial and legal people that this is something that those departments need to act on then this will keep surfacing, we'll all go "tut tut, how terrible", someone will justify doing nothing (or at best a slap with a wet lettuce) and the issue will go back to sleep until the next time. Alternatively hand it over to the Aotearoan Organisation for the Resolution of Theosophical Arguments (AORTA) and get them to sort it out. You can always tell when they're involved as you see statements of the form, "AORTA do this and AORTA do that". Oops, silly me, they're already on the case. --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog