:: However, I firmly believe that if you are connected to a :: network outside :: your administrative control, you should treat it as a :: hostile environment, :: and protect your network (the network under your :: administrative control) :: accordingly. Sure, that's what anyone does, after five minutes of exposure to the Wild and Woolly Internet. ;-) The issue that I'm trying to raise is that even though my network is locked down tight, I'm still being bombarded by traffic that I don't want, and which terminates at my router, even though I reject/drop that traffic. So, I pay for that traffic. I think it would be a great PR move for ISPs to help their customers, who obviously don't have control over the upstream network, to ditch unwanted/hostile traffic further upstream. In the light of SirCam, Code Red Mk I and II, NIMDA, etc, it's becoming downright dangerous for your financial health to operate a Jetstream connection. A firewall and antivirus will only keep the local network clean; they can't do anything about incoming traffic. -- Juha --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo(a)list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog