Disclaimer: I worked for CityLink a while back so feel free to consider the following biased or well informed as you see fit :)

I think one aspect of this discussion that is often overlooked is who participates in the peering exchanges. It's not just a handful of large ISP's and content providers.

Take a look at:

http://nzix.net/wix-peers.html

We have a huge range of participants: universities, schools, government, data centres, finance, researchers, broadcasters, etc. Very few of these organisations operate networks as their core business.

If it's so important to convince them all to opt-in to the change what are we doing to explain why they should make that change? Pointing at an RFC and yelling loudly hardly seems likely to be accepted as a convincing argument outside of the networking community.��

Personally, I think the approach CityLink is taking seems entirely reasonable.��

I would be keen to have regular updates from CityLink regarding the amount of uptake and any issues encountered by those making the change that might help others considering it.

Thanks,

Dylan

On 27 February 2017 at 18:01, Nathan Ward <nznog@daork.net> wrote:

On 27/02/2017, at 5:50 PM, Tim Hoffman <tim@hoffman.net.nz> wrote:

there may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances when the particular behavior is acceptable or even useful
I don't necessarily disagree that a migration over time may be useful, I disagree with the end state of an inconsistent behavior... The key here is having a date by which we enforce a consistent behavior��.

So let��s make up a date and push people towards it. No reason we can��t get to a consistent state, right? The Citylink IXes started life as community IXes, no reason we can��t make them community IXes again. How about your birthday next year?

Perhaps we could talk about ways to track who is opting-in and who isn��t, do you have thoughts on how to achieve that? I��m not sure I can think of anything technically. Does Citylink intend to publish this information? Perhaps we can encourage people to post on the NZNOG list when they change their ��mode��?

With that information, you could channel your energies in to an email to a handful of operators every couple of months. That would be totally reasonable to copy to the list.

Having said that, fair point on RFC2119��sir :)

Others who thought of it first know who they are :)

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Nathan Ward

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