Hi, I'd say Richard's theory was exactly right here... Telecom isn't bound by a 128k maximum, and did in fact recently drop its own upload speed to 128k from 192k to match the speed offered through UBS in order to make it fair for wholesalers. Crappy as it is, it was probably a fair move. One could only wish Telecom and the Comcom will see merit in raising this as soon as possible. :) Erin Salmon Managing Director Unleash Computers Ltd Mobile: 021 877 913 Landline: 03 365 1273 www.unleash.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: Richard Dingwall [mailto:rdingwall(a)gmail.com] Sent: 28 July 2005 8:33 p.m. To: Blair Harrison Cc: nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: [nznog] [FW] Re: Interesting articles from Beehive
Feel free to correct me, but Telecom could provide as much upstream bandwidth as it likes (within the limits of the current ADSL system) to it's customers, it's just choosing to provide the bare minimum in this case, to mirror the regulated service. There may be a number of reasons for this that I'm not privvy to and this is unfortunate, but the Commerce Commission has set the guidelines, so is ultimately responsible. Did they really think Telecom would do more than they absolutely had to ?
I would imagine that the low upstream limit could (partly) have been an effort to curb NZ P2P network traffic. National P2P networks (DC, particularly) became very popular a few years ago, when unlimited 128KBit/128KBit DSL was available (i.e, download as fast as your connection goes - woohoo!). More recently, as the downstream rate has significantly exceeded the upstream, your slow upload becomes someone else's slow download. Imagine the thrill of leeching at 16KByte/s on a 2MBit connection..! - Richard On 28/07/2005, at 7:59 PM, Blair Harrison wrote:
I think everyone is missing the point of what he's trying to say.
The Telecom retail UBS offering is not regulated at all, but rather a commercial offering based on the Commission's reccomendations for a regulated service.
The Regulated UBS currently being negotiated with TelstraClear will have this upstream limitation, but Telecom is not currently bound by any rules to provide only 128k upstream, as I understand things.
Feel free to correct me, but Telecom could provide as much upstream bandwidth as it likes (within the limits of the current ADSL system) to it's customers, it's just choosing to provide the bare minimum in this case, to mirror the regulated service. There may be a number of reasons for this that I'm not privvy to and this is unfortunate, but the Commerce Commission has set the guidelines, so is ultimately responsible. Did they really think Telecom would do more than they absolutely had to ?
Cheers, Blair
Juha Saarinen wrote:
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Paul Brislen wrote:
I'm sorry but has the Minister read his own Commissioner's rulings?
snip: I am aware of an very strong opinion in the industry that 128k upstream is a constraint. Like the Commissioner I do not regard the proposed regulated 128k service as an upper limit. On the contrary, it should be seen as a baseline and I expect commercial offerings in the market above that level. snip
I'm sorry but the regulation has 128 as the MAXIMUM upload speed, not some kind of regulated minimum. He can expect all he likes, without some new regulation that says otherwise, 128 is all the incumbent has to deliver and 128 is all it will deliver.
I must now drink a lot of beer a: to stay on topic and b: to drown my narrowband sorrows. I bid you good day.
- Paul
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