If you don't have physical link diversity, why not simply choose an ISP with multiple backhauls and leave it at that? I.e. pay your ISP to provide the Layer 3 diversity for you. Without layer 1/2 I don't see what advantage you're really getting out of the mucking around. Mark. -----Original Message----- From: nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces(a)list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Matthew Poole Sent: Wednesday, 6 November 2013 12:42 p.m. To: Matt Richards; Alexander Neilson Cc: NZNOG Subject: Re: [nznog] Multi-homing without PI space With a /whole/ hell of a lot of fudging we could just about make it to halfway between a /27 and a /26. Maybe. We're not that kind of service provider. Also, we're into the IPv4 end-times, which I would imagine has changed APNIC's attitude towards application vetting rather substantially. Curious about the suggestion to look beyond APNIC. Google suggests to me that all the RIRs are applying very similar policies to PI allocation as APNIC, as all except ARIN are into their last /8. For link diversity, our premises are not located on any existing fibre routes. The current ISP had to lay in fibre to get us connected and any future ISP will similarly have to do the same since the current one is unlikely to be willing to share (or be asked to share). On that basis, doing this at layer three is really the only feasible option if we do it at all. On 6/11/2013 12:26, Matt Richards wrote:
"immediately" not "currently" :)
perhaps you need the new space to host a bunch of HTTPS web sites, which don't currently exist? Finding a use for the new space is the easy part. We went from using about half a /27 to getting our second /24 within 2 years.
Matt.
On 6/11/2013 12:22 p.m., Alexander Neilson wrote:
Not sure if I am correct here but if they are using a /28 now to comply with the APNIC rules as per the below they would need to show use for 25% now (a /26) and within one year using a /25 (50% of address space).
It may be that APNIC may let them be a bit fuzzy about the exact number "in use" but the rules would seem to exclude them as they would need to quadruple their use of IP Addressing /28 to /26 immediately.
Again - not an APNIC rules expert and I could be wrong here.
Regards Alexander
Alexander Neilson Neilson Productions Limited
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