Mauricio,
I don't understand how is this going to differ from people posting in forums?
The issue with this "group think" approach is that customers decide they're all seeing a common problem, get angry at the ISP and don't work with the ISP to solve individual problems that "appear" to be the same. eg. line faults. At scale you will see a certain number of customers in an area (especially after bad weather) with line faults giving packet loss etc. Every single one of those customers will say "nothing has changed at my end" and use this to "determine" a fault with a DSLAM etc. This won't actually help the customers get things fixed.
Can't wait to see this applied to DNS resolvers -> same thing -> so much is because of b0rked DNS proxy/caches on ADSL CPE. At scale you'll see people bleating about it and blaming the ISP.
MMC
On 07/12/2010, at 8:41 AM, Mauricio Freitas wrote:
Blair
All good stuff… But we say there “only report a fault after you have completed basic troubleshooting or contacted your ISP”. We also say “Reporting a fault on Geekzone serves only as a warning mechanism to other users, with no guarantees ISPs will use the reported data for fault investigation”
Now, I understand some people “can’t read English good” (Zoolander reference), but we can’t babysit everyone.
Since yesterday I’ve added a link to each ISP’s own status page in our report page. Also added to our database the ability to load up current known issues/maintenance. Check the TelstraClear page for example: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/FaultByISP.asp?ISPId=19
As for a single page – that’s how it was yesterday. We since changed it because it was an information overload. Consumers may have the need of smaller doses of information in some cases.
As for operators providing network status so we could keep this on… I tried before. Contacted a few people around (Telecom, TelstraClear, Orcon, Vodafone). This would be great to reduce those “I can’t get to YouTube today” discussions… But I never got past their first reply of “That’s great, let’s do it”.
So I took thinks to the users.
Mauricio Freitas
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Subject: Re: [nznog] Crowdsourcing a network status page
Hi Mauricio,
Great idea for the map/page, but I have a few concerns.
At present the way your site is worded, you're almost suggesting the information submitted on this form is going to be fed back to the ISP in question, when that's almost certainly not going to be the case. It is probably worthwhile including a list of ISP Helpdesk numbers on your submission page which users should be encouraged to call/email in the first instance. These are the only people who can help actually resolve faults.
Encouraging users to not report their faults to the ISP is not helpful to anyone, especially not the users.
You might also look to try and aggregate the fault status pages of various ISPs and network operators into a single page. Perhaps discussions could be had with the operators in question if they can provide their network status and planned outage events in RSS or similar form, which could be easily aggregated onto a single page. I think this would probably be far more useful than a few sporadic reports from people who "can't get to youtube today" :)
Cheers,
Blair
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Mauricio Freitas