NTTDoCoMo are using IPV6 across there broadband handset trials. I think they really want to lead the way for V6 in the mobile market space. A lot like they did with early GPRS. There is a good article about on Slashdot once regarding NTTDoCoMo and its V6 handsets. If I find it ill post it. -----Original Message----- Although obviously it is important the operations groups get to grips with v6 (and it's MANY implications), I still wonder what the business drivers will be for people to use IPv6 extensively in NZ. Until a critical mass is reached it will be up to those who build IPv6 clouds to provide the v6-v4 gateways, and I still see the real work going on in China, and the mobile provider networks. Are you seeing a real world move in America/Canada yet Joe ? Arron Scott <Snip Snip>