On 1/08/2016, at 17:32, Chris Jones <chrisj@aprole.com> wrote:

From a ���least-surprise��� prospective, dropping the IX AS will need peers to set their vendor���s equivalent of ���no bgp enforce-first-as��� on their IX-facing edge router(s).  Having the ability to still send the IX AS to peers on a peer-by-peer basis might help stop those guys completely falling off the AS

Chris

On 1 Aug 2016, at 3:29 PM, Tim Hoffman <tim@hoffman.net.nz> wrote:

What's the value on doing this on a per-peer basis, or allowing any peer to having a differing experience?

This would create some level of inconsistency and operational confusion IMHO, particularly given that inserting the IX AS anywhere is far from the standard globally...

On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Nathan Ward <nznog@daork.net> wrote:

..and are the least likely to have traffic volumes worth worrying about.

The big content providers are on this list, as are the big eyeballs RS peers. A few weeks should be enough notice I think, I stand in support of 2016-8-31.

--
Nathan Ward

> On 1/08/2016, at 16:58, Richard Nelson <richardn@waikato.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> Equally, those unaware of the necessity are those most unlikely to see a wall of shame...
>
>
> On 1/08/16 4:55 PM, Martin D Kealey wrote:
>> The problem is that, few though they may be, the systems that will need to
>> opt out are the ones mostly likely to be run by people who are unaware of
>> that necessity.
>>
>> Rather, simply set a flag day -- say 1/10/2016 -- and on that date switch
>> over everyone who opts in between now and then. From 1/9 start a "wall of
>> shame" for those who haven't opted in...
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Simon Allard wrote:
>>> HI Dave
>>>
>>> Sounds good to me. It will certainly change traffic levels, as carriers with other IX���s will be being preferred  due to the shorter path.
>>>
>>> I would however like to see Opt-Out rather than Opt-in, since it���s a corrective fix to bring APE/WIX inline with IX best practise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nznog-bounces@list.waikato.ac.nz [mailto:nznog-bounces@list.waikato.ac.nz] On Behalf Of Dave Mill
>>> Sent: Monday, 1 August 2016 8:51 a.m.
>>> To: Daniel Griggs <daniel@nzrs.net.nz>
>>> Cc: nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz
>>> Subject: Re: [nznog] AS paths from NZIX route servers
>>>
>>> Would there be any advantage to having a "flag day" for this where the people that opt in to having the RS AS removed from the path will all have it removed on the same day? And then we could all co-ordinate here on any issues that arise?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Griggs <daniel@nzrs.net.nz<mailto:daniel@nzrs.net.nz>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds entirely reasonable.
>>>
>>> 100% of people in this thread support this idea.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Griggs
>>> daniel@nzrs.net.nz<mailto:daniel@nzrs.net.nz>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/07/2016, at 7:12 PM, Sid Jones <nznog@uuuuuu.net<mailto:nznog@uuuuuu.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That obviously will require a little more work on our behalf, indications here of interest would help with that. Input welcomed.
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